Was - Did I kill my starter, ...? - Now - Please help me with my timing belt...
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Here are some pics after I removed all the stuff:
![](https://www.miataturbo.net/attachments/diy-turbo-discussion-14/37877-did-i-kill-my-starter-now-please-help-me-my-timing-belt-mx25_004.jpg?dateline=1332594802)
Looks like my exhaust cam splipped one tooth - correct?
Here are some pics after I removed all the stuff:
But what bothers me is - why is my crank pin not at 12' o clock and why did someone (my previous shop that did put in my built engine) make a mark at that point (which aligns with the cam marks (at least with the intake cam at the moment...
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See pic:
Here are some pics after I removed all the stuff:
![](https://www.miataturbo.net/attachments/diy-turbo-discussion-14/37880-did-i-kill-my-starter-now-please-help-me-my-timing-belt-mx25_006.jpg?dateline=1332595893)
Edit:
More weirdness...
When I align my crank with the pin up like this
![](https://www.miataturbo.net/attachments/diy-turbo-discussion-14/37881-did-i-kill-my-starter-now-please-help-me-my-timing-belt-mx25_007.jpg?dateline=1332595893)
I am at TDC for cylinder one... (I checked with a very scientific method...)
![](http://www.ingenieure-reichel.de/upload/2012/mx25_008.jpg)
With the Crank aligned like this the cams are standing this way:
![](http://www.ingenieure-reichel.de/upload/2012/mx25_009.jpg)
What the f...?
Was my check correct, do I have a brainbug, what is going on...?
Please help me out here...
![](https://www.miataturbo.net/attachments/diy-turbo-discussion-14/37877-did-i-kill-my-starter-now-please-help-me-my-timing-belt-mx25_004.jpg?dateline=1332594802)
Looks like my exhaust cam splipped one tooth - correct?
Here are some pics after I removed all the stuff:
![](https://www.miataturbo.net/attachments/diy-turbo-discussion-14/37878-did-i-kill-my-starter-now-please-help-me-my-timing-belt-mx25_005.jpg?dateline=1332594802)
But what bothers me is - why is my crank pin not at 12' o clock and why did someone (my previous shop that did put in my built engine) make a mark at that point (which aligns with the cam marks (at least with the intake cam at the moment...
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See pic:
Here are some pics after I removed all the stuff:
![](https://www.miataturbo.net/attachments/diy-turbo-discussion-14/37880-did-i-kill-my-starter-now-please-help-me-my-timing-belt-mx25_006.jpg?dateline=1332595893)
Edit:
More weirdness...
When I align my crank with the pin up like this
![](https://www.miataturbo.net/attachments/diy-turbo-discussion-14/37881-did-i-kill-my-starter-now-please-help-me-my-timing-belt-mx25_007.jpg?dateline=1332595893)
I am at TDC for cylinder one... (I checked with a very scientific method...)
![](http://www.ingenieure-reichel.de/upload/2012/mx25_008.jpg)
With the Crank aligned like this the cams are standing this way:
![](http://www.ingenieure-reichel.de/upload/2012/mx25_009.jpg)
What the f...?
Was my check correct, do I have a brainbug, what is going on...?
Please help me out here...
Last edited by Zaphod; 03-24-2012 at 09:33 AM.
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I turned my crank today some more times to see if I can find a spot where the marks all agree... but they where really totally off. As to bee seen in the first picture above it looks like the 1st cylinder was at ~BDC when the cams were at the marks.
How could an engine run this way for 2 years...? Most of all - my signals must have been so that the DIYPNP and the MS3 were able to ignite and inject?
Would this even be possible?
How could an engine run this way for 2 years...? Most of all - my signals must have been so that the DIYPNP and the MS3 were able to ignite and inject?
Would this even be possible?
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So I finally found the main problem that caused all that fuss... me...![vash](https://www.miataturbo.net/images/smilies/vash.gif)
Maybe I shoudl be renamed into Faezaphod or something like that...
When I tried to remove my front waterneck this winter I removed the upper cambelt cover in a very Fae-like way... (though I didn't use a sawzall, but a huge screwdriver..) I removed the cover, did see that there is much more to the waterneck removal - and reattached the cover. But a piece of the cover broke and got ripped of by the cambelt and mangled between cambelt and the crank cambelt pulley... - I suppose that was the point where my cambelt jumped over quite a large bit...
So on to the fix:
That is my third hand I used when setting the cams and attaching the cambelt..
![](https://www.miataturbo.net/attachments/diy-turbo-discussion-14/38325-did-i-kill-my-starter-now-please-help-me-my-timing-belt-mx25_012.jpg?dateline=1333003686)
Thats how it looks now - have to reassemble the rest today.
![](https://www.miataturbo.net/attachments/diy-turbo-discussion-14/38326-did-i-kill-my-starter-now-please-help-me-my-timing-belt-mx25_013.jpg?dateline=1333003686)
![](https://www.miataturbo.net/attachments/diy-turbo-discussion-14/38327-did-i-kill-my-starter-now-please-help-me-my-timing-belt-mx25_014.jpg?dateline=1333003686)
Greets
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Maybe I shoudl be renamed into Faezaphod or something like that...
When I tried to remove my front waterneck this winter I removed the upper cambelt cover in a very Fae-like way... (though I didn't use a sawzall, but a huge screwdriver..) I removed the cover, did see that there is much more to the waterneck removal - and reattached the cover. But a piece of the cover broke and got ripped of by the cambelt and mangled between cambelt and the crank cambelt pulley... - I suppose that was the point where my cambelt jumped over quite a large bit...
So on to the fix:
That is my third hand I used when setting the cams and attaching the cambelt..
![](https://www.miataturbo.net/attachments/diy-turbo-discussion-14/38325-did-i-kill-my-starter-now-please-help-me-my-timing-belt-mx25_012.jpg?dateline=1333003686)
Thats how it looks now - have to reassemble the rest today.
![](https://www.miataturbo.net/attachments/diy-turbo-discussion-14/38326-did-i-kill-my-starter-now-please-help-me-my-timing-belt-mx25_013.jpg?dateline=1333003686)
![](https://www.miataturbo.net/attachments/diy-turbo-discussion-14/38327-did-i-kill-my-starter-now-please-help-me-my-timing-belt-mx25_014.jpg?dateline=1333003686)
Greets
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Just wanted to let you know that the car is up and running again.
At first I overtightend the belt - but the second attempt was good.
P.S.: I had the timing light to reference the timing and I have seen that there is no difference between the DIYPNP and the MS3 in timing for the 99-00.
At first I overtightend the belt - but the second attempt was good.
P.S.: I had the timing light to reference the timing and I have seen that there is no difference between the DIYPNP and the MS3 in timing for the 99-00.
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