Was - Did I kill my starter, ...? - Now - Please help me with my timing belt...
#1
Elite Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Schwarzenberg, Germany
Posts: 1,558
Total Cats: 105
![Default](https://www.miataturbo.net/images/icons/icon1.gif)
Hi after I redid my coolant reroute and changed fluids I stated my car today. Started well, then stumbled and won't start again. The loose sensor wire of my oil temp gauge might have hit my starter.
Now the car sounds a bit strange - like a wirring sound and doesn't start. Did I kill my starter or maybe?
After a while of cranking some white smoke came out of the intake... And I can smell fuel...
Maybe I give the starter a small push with the car in gear or hit the starter with a hammer...
I will also try to reload my firmware on the MS3 tonight and reload my MSQ. I think I might have corrupted the firmware...
Any other ideas?
Now the car sounds a bit strange - like a wirring sound and doesn't start. Did I kill my starter or maybe?
After a while of cranking some white smoke came out of the intake... And I can smell fuel...
Maybe I give the starter a small push with the car in gear or hit the starter with a hammer...
I will also try to reload my firmware on the MS3 tonight and reload my MSQ. I think I might have corrupted the firmware...
Any other ideas?
Last edited by Zaphod; 03-24-2012 at 09:08 AM. Reason: HEEEEELP!
#2
Cpt. Slow
![](/mt2011/images_td/ranks/supporter1.gif)
iTrader: (25)
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Oregon City, OR
Posts: 14,360
Total Cats: 1,184
![Default](https://www.miataturbo.net/images/icons/icon1.gif)
Shouldn't of killed it. I grounded my socket wrench directly to the power bolt a number of times, that's always the point in engine removal that I remember to disconnect the battery.
Mine's been fine, 120,000 miles and still starting strong.
Mine's been fine, 120,000 miles and still starting strong.
#4
Elite Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Schwarzenberg, Germany
Posts: 1,558
Total Cats: 105
![Default](https://www.miataturbo.net/images/icons/icon1.gif)
I am a bit lost now here...
As I wrote above - The car started at the first try, ran for some second and now nothing. I cannot get reasonable RPM readings in TS,
This is how the car sounds, when I try to start:
I suspect something I can't really believe - could the cam belt be gone?
I couldn't see a thing because of the covers and the darkness...
Please help me out.
I will try to reflash the firmware tomorrow anyway... And I will swap my DIYPNP and see if it starts...
As I wrote above - The car started at the first try, ran for some second and now nothing. I cannot get reasonable RPM readings in TS,
This is how the car sounds, when I try to start:
I suspect something I can't really believe - could the cam belt be gone?
I couldn't see a thing because of the covers and the darkness...
Please help me out.
I will try to reflash the firmware tomorrow anyway... And I will swap my DIYPNP and see if it starts...
Last edited by curly; 03-22-2012 at 03:09 PM.
#11
Elite Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Schwarzenberg, Germany
Posts: 1,558
Total Cats: 105
![Default](https://www.miataturbo.net/images/icons/icon1.gif)
I am a non-smoker - so don't be afraid... ![wink](https://www.miataturbo.net/images/smilies/wink.gif)
I also suspect the cam-belt - the engine sounds so strange and turns over very easily...
I am going to pull the Cam-cover this afternoon.
Are there any good pictured How-to's about the cam-belt change online? I got the factory handbook but maybe there is something more pictorial out there...
![wink](https://www.miataturbo.net/images/smilies/wink.gif)
I also suspect the cam-belt - the engine sounds so strange and turns over very easily...
I am going to pull the Cam-cover this afternoon.
Are there any good pictured How-to's about the cam-belt change online? I got the factory handbook but maybe there is something more pictorial out there...
#13
Elite Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Schwarzenberg, Germany
Posts: 1,558
Total Cats: 105
![Default](https://www.miataturbo.net/images/icons/icon1.gif)
Update - so it's not the Cam belt - I had both the oilcap and the cam-sensor removed and both cams are turning, when I turn the crank...
I swapped in my DIYPNP and it's also not doing anything else...
Might have to swap another cam sensor in...
I swapped in my DIYPNP and it's also not doing anything else...
Might have to swap another cam sensor in...
#14
Elite Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Schwarzenberg, Germany
Posts: 1,558
Total Cats: 105
![Default](https://www.miataturbo.net/images/icons/icon1.gif)
Here is a (very) short composite log:
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...1&d=1332499357
Maybe someone could have a look...
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...1&d=1332499357
Maybe someone could have a look...
#16
Elite Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Schwarzenberg, Germany
Posts: 1,558
Total Cats: 105
![Default](https://www.miataturbo.net/images/icons/icon1.gif)
I pulled the cam cover to have a look at the CAM belt - looks fine - though it seems to have some slack.
![](http://www.ingenieure-reichel.de/upload/2012/mx25_001.jpg)
![](http://www.ingenieure-reichel.de/upload/2012/mx25_002.jpg)
![](http://www.ingenieure-reichel.de/upload/2012/mx25_003.jpg)
Could you have a look if the timing marks and teeth between do look correct?
@Reverant - to get a longer logfile I will have to re-attach the cam cover.
Will do as soon as the timing verified...
I pulled a COP before I pulled the cam cover - there is no spark.
The MS3 is working - verified on the bench/stim.
![](http://www.ingenieure-reichel.de/upload/2012/mx25_001.jpg)
![](http://www.ingenieure-reichel.de/upload/2012/mx25_002.jpg)
![](http://www.ingenieure-reichel.de/upload/2012/mx25_003.jpg)
Could you have a look if the timing marks and teeth between do look correct?
@Reverant - to get a longer logfile I will have to re-attach the cam cover.
Will do as soon as the timing verified...
I pulled a COP before I pulled the cam cover - there is no spark.
The MS3 is working - verified on the bench/stim.
#17
Elite Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Schwarzenberg, Germany
Posts: 1,558
Total Cats: 105
![Default](https://www.miataturbo.net/images/icons/icon1.gif)
@Reverant - nd the others off course too - here is a little longer composite log...
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...1&d=1332513957
Please have a look
Here is a pic of my composite log:
![](https://www.miataturbo.net/attachments/diy-turbo-discussion-14/37740d1332514800-did-i-kill-my-starter-now-please-help-me-my-timing-belt-composite_log.jpg)
And here a pic how the NB signals are ought to look:
![](http://img38.imagefra.me/img/img38/7/9/24/thraddax/f_pc8wm_5981b1a.gif)
Looks like my Cam and Crank signal are out of sync??? The two following Cam signals should be inbetween two crank signals - looks like its a bit early just before the Crank signal - I am no expert on that, so please excuse my bad description...
BTW - what does the red line mean?
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...1&d=1332513957
Please have a look
Here is a pic of my composite log:
![](https://www.miataturbo.net/attachments/diy-turbo-discussion-14/37740d1332514800-did-i-kill-my-starter-now-please-help-me-my-timing-belt-composite_log.jpg)
And here a pic how the NB signals are ought to look:
![](http://img38.imagefra.me/img/img38/7/9/24/thraddax/f_pc8wm_5981b1a.gif)
Looks like my Cam and Crank signal are out of sync??? The two following Cam signals should be inbetween two crank signals - looks like its a bit early just before the Crank signal - I am no expert on that, so please excuse my bad description...
BTW - what does the red line mean?
Last edited by Zaphod; 03-23-2012 at 11:03 AM.
#18
Elite Member
![](/mt2011/images_td/ranks/supporter1.gif)
iTrader: (10)
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Athens, Greece
Posts: 5,987
Total Cats: 359
![Default](https://www.miataturbo.net/images/icons/icon1.gif)
If both cam gears look properly aligned, then it looks like the crank pulley has jumped instead. All 4 teeth on the crank pulley should be fully contained between the 1 and 2 teeth on the cam gear. On your log, one of the crank teeth is between the two teeth of the cam gear.