Brain I want a set of pins too

i gotcha, i have 6 pms for pins in my inbox. will drop that shit in an envelope tonight. If you all pay of course.

some of it may take a week, since i only have enough for 9 extras currently, and you may have to wait for the rest to come in.

All i need is your paypal :)

With all the connector research everyone did, did anyone see a female connector like this? I don't have the option of just stripping the coil to make a PNP harness. I might have to get a weather pack connector to make my own instead. Thought you guys might know. Attachment 215823

Hey, found the thread again. Thought it was deleted. Anyway, Brain, I need the paypal username to pay you for the male pins. I would also be interested in a response to the above post if such an item exists. Thanks.

its my email address in my profile.

just send $3.


I had to copy this post we me as the thread starter, lazzer was deleting all his posts.

Anyone sell a kit with the 4 COPS and the Plugs and Pins? I'd be interested as I don't really have the time to hunt down all the parts.

Marc, just buy the a harness that is listed now in the classifieds here on MT.net, and then car-part.com and do a search for 2003ish corolla coilpacks.

-S

Ebay.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Coils...spagenameZWDVW

Grabbed my set for 45 shipped :)

I got mine from Standard Kulak, and they came with connectors, although, one of them does not have a lot of wire.....

Had them in the trunk on sunday, didn't get a chance to chat about them though.....

So at this point, all I need is some wire.... and time. <G>

Dave,

You are lucky Dave, You never mentioned that. Mine from plazek came with no connectors.

Install looks soooo easy on my 2000 SE. Think I am going to have to do this :)

Couldn't tell through all the shipping tape .... opened the package on Sunday to bring along to the tour.... that's when I realized. Hopefully, there's enough of a stub of wire for me to get some extensions on it.

If that's the case, it is just finding the time, and the wire for the runs.... <G>

Dave,

did i buy the wrong toyota coils? there are only two prongs in the plug. i am assuming this means they do not have an igniter...?

they are p/n 90919-02214

Pretty sure they're the wrong ones.

You have bought the wrong ones for this type of application.

But all may not be lost. If they only have 2 pins, they may be the same as the 1.6 coils you have now.

Which means, you can have a try to see if those 2 pins are 12V and GND, and fire when GND goes low. Just like you 1.6 coils.

You would just wire the 1 & 4 and 2 & 3 coils in parallel to the samewires on your ignitor which IIRC are white (1 & 4) blue (2 & 3) and red GND.

Good luck. :)

Disclaimer: I take no responsibility if you blow your shit up as a result of this :bigtu:

i think i blew up one of the coilpacks on my car, does any one know where else i could get these COPs? the yards around here are asking too much, theres not many newer cars in the pick in pulls around here, mainly older years.

ebay doesnt seem to have anything good right now either

We ran off the guy who was selling them :rolleyes:

Actually "we" banned him, he didn't voluntarially leave.

he was getting them out of a junkyard in/around Cumming, GA I believe. Really not that far from me. I saw it on ebay at that time. :)

www.car-part.com will show many, many junkyard/dismanteler sources to get them from as groups and individually.

don't have one in front of me but isn't that the same as a 96/97 miata coilpack connector? 1 pin removed because the stock ecu doesn't pull the rpm's from there.

boo....

there are some on ebay for a sienna, they look like COPs but they arent for the IZZ, i was just curious if those would work or not.

Yeah i'm still hoping to find that kind of connector just not attached to a coil. It would make life much easier.

the female connector would be part of the wiring harness. thats the male end in the picture. the male end is part of the coil.

are you saying you want to make a connector harness between your cops and your stock wiring harness so you don't have to cut up the wiring harness? one end of the "jumper" harness would be 4 female ends(to each cop) and the other end would be 2 males to connect to stock harness(female)?

nevermind, i went to the site wrong, didnt know there was a dash between the car-parts.com anyway i piced up a set for 75 ><

a little expensive but hey itll work. its a lot cheaper than buy a whole brand new coil pack from the dealer.

Yeah, i need male connectors. Wonder if it's a tyco product. I just like it when I don't have to modify stock harnesses, making things easily reversible is always a plus. Might just chop it and get some weather pack connectors.

mine are on there way, hopefully they'll work. I bought part #90919 - 02244.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...m=250175496158

im going to check out the junkyards tomorrow for any connectors that are useable. i think its a good idea just to cut the NB's coil harness, then just add different connector pigtails like you suggested.

cjern - i thought that specific output (3rd) is not needed for the NB's or newer miatas? cause they get the tach signal from the CAS? am i missing something here?

I want connectors that look like the coil connector to make a PNP COP harness. They don't have a CAS they have a crank sensor instead of a cam angle sensor. You're not missing anything, i don't care about the 3rd pin, i just want a bare connector with pins. That's all.

wait... are these the connectors that fit the COP too? becuase if you dig back a few pages, scott posted the pins p/n and I posted the toyota connector p/n...

I tried a COP connector on it last night, they're different. The COP connector doesn't have the side rails and the coil connector is a little bigger or more round.

just have me send you pins and don't worry about the connectors.

just fill em up with silicone then eh?

Yes.

COP on an 01+ is YOUR MOM.

Step 0: disassemble the effing valve cover.
Step 1: ream the shit out of the spark plug wire holes so they're like .975 or so.
Step 2: hack away at the COP itself so it fits the valve cover. saw off the ear, flat the sides that parallel the valve cover sides. notch around hole bosses
Step 3: Make sure the COP units fit all the way into the holes. I eyeballed them with the stock units with the valve cover off and they sit the same height down. reassemble your junks.
Step 4: Make a fancy plate that holds it all down. Use 3/8" aluminum tubing as spacers and some long M6 bolts to hold it all.

Photos after din din.

So what you're trying to say is that you actually tried to make them fit this time?

what? as opposed to what...

HOKAY here you go.

This is what it'll kinda look like.
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2058/...g?v=1193015809
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2251/...84de10.jpg?v=0

This is what trimming looks like. And I guess 7/8" spacers.
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2027/...ac955d.jpg?v=0
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2315/...b57dca.jpg?v=0

you can see the bigger ones here.

The strapping mechanism isn't finalized yet. I basically took some 1" wide stainless and some aluminum tubing from the home deep and slapped it together.

M

Have your harness about buttoned up?

ha ha my harness. I spent 5 hours R/Ring the valve cover!

next week.

Hi,

I just had my lucky day and got some used Toyota Celica 1,8 VVT coils over here in Germany, which is like Christmas; birthday and New Year on one day.

Now I have a question according the connector pins. I haven't found the pins which are mentioned above over here and it would be too expensive to order them from the US. But I have found pins with the part numer 175027 which in my understanding should be eqaul to the 173631 parts (only they are loose pieces and not strip pieces) - can someone confirm this?

Product-details:
175027-1#features

PDF-sheet with comparsion:
pdf-sheet

Link to German seller

Right?

2nd question - I still have a noob question about the installation on the 1999 - do I have to put something between the cable coming from the cars ecu and the coils? (I can not identify the ingniter mentioned) - or can I simply take the right lines at the connection before the old MX-5 coils and make my harness from there?. My 1,6l 1999 has the newer 1,8l schematics. (Sorry, that is quite hard for me to explain in English)
Does someone have a fitting connector for the connection before the old coils?

Thanks again.

Greets

Zaphod, only the early 1.6s use the external ignitor that you are seeing pictures of. Those of us that have later model cars are going go have to cut out harnesses and install new connectors. We've been unable to find the correct connector to just make a PNP harness while retaining stock connectors.

Anyone else get longer coils then they were suppsed too? I left the part number at home, but My COPs stick up about an inch over where the valve cover valley. Since I got them for 30 bucks shipped I dont really feel like dealing with getting the seller to admit he has the wrong part number posted and getting them sent back.

So anyone see an issue with just making sure the valve cover holes are sealed (with another seal), and running the longer COPs?

Damn.. I'm only to page 10 of this thread.. I should get back to work.

But this will be on my winter projects list :)

i dont see a problem with it.

Its just soo damn ugly, but they were so cheap... and im so cheap... Damn this heeb curse.

Thanks brain, ill post pics and dimensions to allow other people to see that they can use the V6 coils from avalons and 4runners and such. Which these are from.

My first set were "slightly" long, but still fit all the way down. They fired inverted with ms but ran fine on the stock ecu (WTF, i know).

My second set after burning out a couple from the first tring to get MSII to control the ign were the ones almost everyone now has. They fire normal with MS, and still run fine on the stock ecu.

The first set I bought under the assumption they were from some sort of camery, and the second set from a scion.

Well the 4 cyl camerys should work, the v6 ones are longer.

Just for reference these are from an Avalon with part number 90919-02238 They look the same as everyone else's just obnoxiously long (6.5 inches total length, 5 and 5/8s of shaft). I will post where i got seals and how to make it work later. Most likely i will end up using Ben's plate sitting between the original seal (on the COP) and the auxiliary one to hold the seal in place and to the valve cover.

Any recommendations on a place to get rubber material? Don't say McMaster I am going through their catalog now.

Loki if they're an inch higher then the studs aren't going to be long enough. If you want I can build you another plate, with studs 1.5" too long, and then you can cut them to length yourself, or just use a standard nut on them.

Oh i didnt know we were getting studs I thought just the plate. Ill take another look at the plate and let you know. I assume you weren't rushing these out the door today.

Ben lets do the longer stud as Im not 100% sure what Im doing yet, but i think that would work.

Hi, I just made the harness for my 99 COPs. I reused the connector ontop of the valve cover which connects to the old coils.

(left upper side of the picture, right connector)
http://www.ingenieure-reichel.de/upl...er/COP_006.jpg

Looks like this inside
http://www.ingenieure-reichel.de/upl...er/COP_005.jpg

You can pull the orange part out with the help of a screwdriver, has two notches on top which hold it in place

At the underside of the old pins inside you have also little notches, same system as the new coil-connectors use.
http://www.ingenieure-reichel.de/upl...er/COP_007.jpg

Push them down and you can pull the old cables out.
http://www.ingenieure-reichel.de/upl...er/COP_008.jpg
http://www.ingenieure-reichel.de/upl...er/COP_009.jpg

Now you can use the Braineack pins on the new harness and just push them in. Works!
http://www.ingenieure-reichel.de/upl...er/COP_010.jpg

Then you simly push the orange part on again!
http://www.ingenieure-reichel.de/upl...er/COP_011.jpg

Now you got a plug and play harness.

Problem is - I get no spark. Car is cranking but not firing. Maybe my coils dont reach inside far enough? Looks like the coils need to be grinded a little at both sides to fit another 2-3mm further down.

How do your Toyota coils look like at the inside? I see just a spring inside of them. Is this right? Or is there some sort of cap for the top of the plug needed?

Someone with a 99 and the cop conversion knows something?

Thanks, greets.

Sven, POPSTOY on miata.net is having the same problem. Have you figured anything out yet? I have a set of Toyota coils waiting to go on my 99.

Flippy, there have been some problems with this mod on 99s. Did you ahve to do anything special to accomplish the install? The issue is no spark while cranking.

Thanks,

Jason

Sven is a little different. He has a 1.6 in his '99 as he isn't in the US. So i have a feeling his direct input is not going to be a help. We don't have the same connectors for our coils for one.

I don't see how this is so difficult for people.

Gotcha. Sounded familiar, so I'm just trying to cover all possible angles. I don't want to hack in to mine and have the same thing happen.

the only things you technically need out of the harness is the trigger leads.

the brown and brown/yellow.

+12v and grounds can be pulled from anywhere.

Hi Braineack,

I know it's so easy and I have a harness which is double-checked and O.K.
Also the trigger wires should be alright.

Problem is I get no spark. The Coils sit as I already said about 2-3mm out of the valve cover (2-3mm space between valve cover and rubber seal of the coils) due to a little contact of the coils on the sides of the valve cover. I will take off a little to make them fit flush.

Can you please tell me if my coils are "normal" - if I look inside I see just some springs inside. There are no caps or anything to fit the spark-plugs?

Greets

I have a feeling your COPs just aren't sitting on your spark plugs. Take your old plug wires. Plug the coil side of them into the COP, then put the other end on the plugs like usual. That will guarantee you have a connection to your plugs with the COPs.

shove a wire into the coil and lay the other end near a ground somewhere, the lift hook is a good one.

make sure it's actually getting spark. a small gap shouldn't prevent the spark from hitting the plug, but i could very well be what the prob be.