US Government seeking legal power to target US citizens for being "terrorists".
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There is a bill that has been introduced to give the military legal authority to take action against "terrorists", more specifically domestic terrorists
edit: Basically this bill will make US soil part of the battlefield so the government can take these actions against US citizens on US soil
Keeping in mind that the Patriot Act defines terrorism as
"(5) the term ‘domestic terrorism’ means activities that—
‘‘(A) involve acts dangerous to human life that are
a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or
of any State;"
http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-...ubl056.107.pdf
seriously now aren't there a **** ton of people in prision that dont have anything remotely to do with terrorism that would quite literally fit this definition perfectly?
Ok yeah you could say something reasonable like "oh no they would never target anyone who wasn't truly a terrorist" and i would say to you, Is this not a system prime for abuse? Was this country not founded with keeping the system as least abusable as possible? Not to mention that this is a direct conflict of our constitutional right to due process.
edit: Basically this bill will make US soil part of the battlefield so the government can take these actions against US citizens on US soil
Keeping in mind that the Patriot Act defines terrorism as
"(5) the term ‘domestic terrorism’ means activities that—
‘‘(A) involve acts dangerous to human life that are
a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or
of any State;"
http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-...ubl056.107.pdf
seriously now aren't there a **** ton of people in prision that dont have anything remotely to do with terrorism that would quite literally fit this definition perfectly?
Ok yeah you could say something reasonable like "oh no they would never target anyone who wasn't truly a terrorist" and i would say to you, Is this not a system prime for abuse? Was this country not founded with keeping the system as least abusable as possible? Not to mention that this is a direct conflict of our constitutional right to due process.
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Why does the white house treat illegal aliens better than citizens? If you run accross the board and get caught, the white house protects you "from states", and now we have this. Policies and lows like this are why I forgo reproductive rights, my atheist purity, and whatever else the GOP stands for and vote for them because I fear for my personal safety when it comes to the Democrats.
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I hear that they are voting on the military action against us citizens on us soil thing on monday
but dont quote me
the ACLU has set something up to make it easy to contact your representatives if you do so wish
https://secure.aclu.org/site/Advocac...subsrc=fixNDAA
and Hustler when it comes to "terrorism" i see no difference between repub and dem
though i do lean more repub than dem
the only party who is clear, upfront, and honest are the libertarians
and we have one running as a repub
while i dont think he will win it actually looks like he has a chance
but dont quote me
the ACLU has set something up to make it easy to contact your representatives if you do so wish
https://secure.aclu.org/site/Advocac...subsrc=fixNDAA
and Hustler when it comes to "terrorism" i see no difference between repub and dem
though i do lean more repub than dem
the only party who is clear, upfront, and honest are the libertarians
and we have one running as a repub
while i dont think he will win it actually looks like he has a chance
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Well it looks like they are still in the process of shaping the bill with amendments
i have tried linking others to the bill on thomas.loc.gov and for some reason that wont work so if you want to read the bill for yourself just google national defense act S 1867 and you will find it
though here is a link to the status of the bill
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquer...:@@@L&summ2=m&
it looks like they are still shaping the bill with amendments and what not
here is another rather informative video on this topic
idk why the title on the video is talking about martial law as this law has little if anything to do with martial law.
i have tried linking others to the bill on thomas.loc.gov and for some reason that wont work so if you want to read the bill for yourself just google national defense act S 1867 and you will find it
though here is a link to the status of the bill
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquer...:@@@L&summ2=m&
it looks like they are still shaping the bill with amendments and what not
here is another rather informative video on this topic
idk why the title on the video is talking about martial law as this law has little if anything to do with martial law.
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Why does the white house treat illegal aliens better than citizens? If you run accross the board and get caught, the white house protects you "from states", and now we have this. Policies and lows like this are why I forgo reproductive rights, my atheist purity, and whatever else the GOP stands for and vote for them because I fear for my personal safety when it comes to the Democrats.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/1...n_1119473.html
I'm linking to Huffpo to make it clear how insane this statement is. Two republicans voted against it, 16 Democrats voted for it (Well, two republicans voted for and 16 dems voted against an amendment that would have killed what people in here have a problem with specifically.). The democrats that voted for it are having the leftist voters call for their blood, see even Huffpolol calling out the dem votes. At best, this bill and the associated bullshit can be called bipartisan. At worst, it's a Republican clusterfuck considering this has widespread GOP support (See previous numbers as for proof), with scattered Dem support.
****, Obama's said flat out he's going to veto it if they don't strip it of the language people are bitching about in here. Where's the props for Obama on that, guys? Or is it because he's a "demoncrat"?
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he said we could take that to the bank
I am in no way defending bush here but
Obama called bush unpatriotic and irresponsible for adding 4 tril in debt in 8 years, more than any previous president
Obama matched bush's 4tril in 2.5 years
Props WILL be given to Obama if such a veto is made
not until
I am not capable of taking a sellout, lying, politicians promises seriously
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the problem is, language is just that, language. Whats the difference between forest thinning and opening up national parks for logging? Nothing, but the language is different.
I don't know the bill in particular, but I wouldn't be surprised if they just change the language rather than the bill.
I don't know the bill in particular, but I wouldn't be surprised if they just change the language rather than the bill.
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Obama also promised to bring the troops home first thing when he got into office
he said we could take that to the bank
I am in no way defending bush here but
Obama called bush unpatriotic and irresponsible for adding 4 tril in debt in 8 years, more than any previous president
Obama matched bush's 4tril in 2.5 years
he said we could take that to the bank
I am in no way defending bush here but
Obama called bush unpatriotic and irresponsible for adding 4 tril in debt in 8 years, more than any previous president
Obama matched bush's 4tril in 2.5 years
Secondly, considering Bushes final budgetary year is the highest deficit we've ever ran (2009, remember, the budget is passed the previous year*), and it was "only" 1.4trillion...I find it extremely hard to believe Obama's budgets in '10 and '11 were 2 trillion or more a year. People would be harping about those being "record-setting years" instead of 2009 being the biggest deficit ever. This argument is inherently fallacious, as you are repeating something someone else told you, and it started based on a "lie via omission" (I've gone off on these on another thread, I'll save the angst here) that someone started harping on to score political points. It's a classical political half-truth in America - yeah, there's a grain of truth in it. Obama -was- president in 2009, and the 2009 budget set records, but the 2009 budget was budgeted in 2008 by the Bush admin. Same as the 2000 Bush budget was budgeted by Clinton in 1999. The current years budget is done in the previous year.
* Although I'm being disingenuous myself here as certain supplemental and emergency spending was Obama's - but Obama's contribution to the deficit for that is attributed at between 100 to 140 billion vs. the Bush budgets ~1.3trillion - ~1/10th of the deficit in 2009. Even if you add the supplemental and emergency spending from 2009 to the '10 and '11 budgets, Obama hasn't came close to Bush's deficit after 8 years as you claim.
Props WILL be given to Obama if such a veto is made
not until
I am not capable of taking a sellout, lying, politicians promises seriously
not until
I am not capable of taking a sellout, lying, politicians promises seriously
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Is anyone here who is sick of the same old ****, gonna register Republican and vote for Ron Paul?
Or are you gonna whine and bitch and then vote for McRomPerryCain because he's "the lesser evil"?
Don't you see that that is exactly how the media gets you to vote for a Republicrat?
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Good for you.
IMO it is very important for Ron Paul to get a lot of votes in the PRIMARIES - (the Republican nomination). Even if he doesn't win, getting him in the top 3 of the nomination will help spread his message:
In several "closed" states you have to register Republican EARLY to be able to vote in the primaries.
Look up your state here:
http://forum.grasscity.com/us-presid...l#post10708184
http://www.facebook.com/bluerepublican
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robin-..._b_897405.html
IMO it is very important for Ron Paul to get a lot of votes in the PRIMARIES - (the Republican nomination). Even if he doesn't win, getting him in the top 3 of the nomination will help spread his message:
In several "closed" states you have to register Republican EARLY to be able to vote in the primaries.
Look up your state here:
http://forum.grasscity.com/us-presid...l#post10708184
http://www.facebook.com/bluerepublican
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robin-..._b_897405.html
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it passed
12-1-11
93-7
sec 1044 makes this exempt from the freedom of information act
so basically they can take people off the street
and they are allowed to be secretive about it
the white house apparently renewed its threat to veto it
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/...f2afd82ee878c7
lets see if that happens
i somehow doubt it will
but will be greatful if it does
12-1-11
93-7
sec 1044 makes this exempt from the freedom of information act
so basically they can take people off the street
and they are allowed to be secretive about it
the white house apparently renewed its threat to veto it
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/...f2afd82ee878c7
lets see if that happens
i somehow doubt it will
but will be greatful if it does