Police are trained to overreact, kill you, then lie
Warning, this is pretty graphic.
The first video, which shows nothing graphic, but is helpful for context: The second video, which is quite graphic: Reddit started another witch hunt based ONLY on the second one. After seeing the first one, I gotta say it looks like it's 99% the dudes fault. It sucks that his dog died, but he could have easily prevented that. |
the dude's fault as in the pathetic-excuse-for-a-human-that-would-shoot-a-dog-multipl- times-for-no-reason? Yeah, it was the "dude's" fault all right.
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I fail to see how that first video added any extra context. His dog was in the car and it was plain for anyone to see what was going to happen. All they had to do was make sure the dog was properly restrained when it started barking. The dog didn't even really attack. It lunged up at him but it was far from viscous at that point.
I chose not to watch that video the first time. I wish I had stayed with that choice because I am pretty sure that just kind of ruined my day. |
Yup, typical trash piece of shit person putting themselves into the situation by acting like a fucking moron. If it weren't for the stupid fuck with his "I'll do what the fuck I want" attitude, he would still have his dog. But no, he had to create a scene, leave his shitty music blasting next to an already tense scene, then exchange words with the police...then leave his dog in the car with no restraint. No one to blame but the asshole owner.
Originally Posted by Ryan_G
(Post 1027501)
I fail to see how that first video added any extra context. His dog was in the car and it was plain for anyone to see what was going to happen. All they had to do was make sure the dog was properly restrained when it started barking. The dog didn't even really attack. It lunged up at him but it was far from viscous at that point.
It makes it very clear- the owner displayed NO regard to the situation. He HAD to pull over, he HAD to leave his music BLASTING, he HAD to get his dog out, he HAD to start words with the police, he HAD to put his dog in the car with open windows and no restraint. The first video shows him making all the choices that led to the end result. |
He deserved it for filming vertically.
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I see a cop armed and ready to defend himself. He tried 2 separate times to get the dogs restraint. Both times the dog was the agressor. The 2nd time the dog was almost successful in its attack.
That entire situation was the owners fault. |
Originally Posted by Doppelgänger
(Post 1027503)
It makes it very clear- the owner displayed NO regard to the situation. He HAD to pull over, he HAD to leave his music BLASTING, he HAD to get his dog out, he HAD to start words with the police, he HAD to put his dog in the car with open windows and no restraint. The first video shows him making all the choices that led to the end result.
I read that his music was a distraction and they had asked him to turn it down to which he refused but I can't really hear that in the video to confirm it either way. The thing is the guy took initial steps to put the dog out of the way. Once the dog started barking it was clear to everyone what was going to happen and they had ample time to diffuse it before the dog actually jumped out of the window. Why not use pepper spray first or a tazer before using the gun? It is not like he had no other choice. I am not saying the cop is some evil human being but the gun should not be the first tool you use when there are 3 officers and the owner right there who was not even resisting. Right when the guy walked up to me and I saw the dog hanging out of the window I would have asked him to please return to his vehicle first and actually restrain his dog. It is just common fucking sense and I hold officers to the highest degree possible due to their position. |
I see a cop armed and ready to defend himself. He tried 2 separate times to get the dogs restraint. The 2nd time the dog was almost successful in its attack. That entire situation was the owners fault. Blue state poster. |
I am not saying the cop is some evil human being |
Originally Posted by Ryan_G
(Post 1027510)
Why not use pepper spray first or a tazer before resulting to using the gun?
it is not like he had no other choice. I am not saying the cop is some evil human being but the gun should not be the first tool you use when there are 3 officers and the owner right there who was not even resisting. |
Originally Posted by Joe Perez
(Post 1027516)
I'm going to be honest here. If I am every in a situation such as that, and I am armed, and a large rottweiler jumps up towards me while barking, I am going to shoot the dog.
Maybe I am giving people too much credit for how they analyze situations but I tend to have pretty good situational awareness so that I don't get hit by cars crossing the street, get sucker punched by someone I am pissing off at a bar, etc. It just called paying attention and using your brain. As a police officer I would think this would be paramount to your training. What are the risk factors here? How can I mitigate them to make this a safer encounter? How it shouldn't go is let go in hard first and just adapt to the situation as shit starts going south. EDIT: I mean seriously, you can hear the guy holding the video camera predicting everything that is going to happen before it happens because it is just that fucking obvious. I expect the police force to have at least the same ability to analyze a tense scenario as an average citizen. |
Originally Posted by Braineack
(Post 1027511)
thats racist.
if a dog is attacking you, you reach for the lease? how will that help you? the dog never attacks a first time... OH I GET IT! Since the owner is a complete moron, he deserves to be arrested on a bogus charge that would later get dropped and his dog shot. Blue state poster. |
I have trained MANY ROTTWEILERS in all phases of training including lots of bite work. I know dogs, I know Rottweilers. Any one could have picked up his leash and walked away. That dog did not have the courage to truly bite. Most cops are around K9 officers and should have above average "dog sense" and while I hold the idiot owner ultimately at fault for the dog getting into that situation, the cops should have been better at their job. There was no reason to arrest the idiot who obviously wanted trouble.
Two props to Brain for well said posts! |
Bogus charge? Really? He pulls up to a hostage situation, blasting his music, gets out, and starts walking his extremely threatening looking dog inside the perimeter that everyone else filming is smart enough to stay out of.
Oh and the guy was already suing the Hawthorne PD. Michael Gulden, Rosby's attorney, said his client was targeted because he had a pending lawsuit against the Hawthorne Police Department. |
Wow, a bunch of dumb people make a bunch of dumb decisions and the dog is the one who pays the price. Poor thing, just being a loyal dog.
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Originally Posted by Ryan_G
(Post 1027510)
The guy was obviously a prick to a certain degree. He also did nothing that warranted the police arresting him. He did not breach an established perimeter and the last I checked the police can't arrest you for being a dick.
I read that his music was a distraction and they had asked him to turn it down to which he refused but I can't really hear that in the video to confirm it either way. The thing is the guy took initial steps to put the dog out of the way. Once the dog started barking it was clear to everyone what was going to happen and they had ample time to diffuse it before the dog actually jumped out of the window. Why not use pepper spray first or a tazer before using the gun? It is not like he had no other choice. I am not saying the cop is some evil human being but the gun should not be the first tool you use when there are 3 officers and the owner right there who was not even resisting. Right when the guy walked up to me and I saw the dog hanging out of the window I would have asked him to please return to his vehicle first and actually restrain his dog. It is just common fucking sense and I hold officers to the highest degree possible due to their position. Bottom line- dude made his bed and now he has to sleep in it.
Originally Posted by Amellrotts
(Post 1027530)
I have trained MANY ROTTWEILERS in all phases of training including lots of bite work. I know dogs, I know Rottweilers. Any one could have picked up his leash and walked away. That dog did not have the courage to truly bite. Most cops are around K9 officers and should have above average "dog sense" and while I hold the idiot owner ultimately at fault for the dog getting into that situation, the cops should have been better at their job. There was no reason to arrest the idiot who obviously wanted trouble.
Two props to Brain for well said posts! Let's say you're walking down the street and someone puts a knift to your face and demands your personal items- Do you assume he is bluffing as you think about the firearm that your hand is on? Point being that when the situation requires .5 seconds of decision making, 99% of you will do what you need to to eliminate the threat by any means you are ready to take. |
Originally Posted by thenuge26
(Post 1027532)
Bogus charge?
Really? He pulls up to a hostage situation blasting his music gets out walking his extremely threatening looking dog inside the perimeter that everyone else filming is smart enough to stay out of. Oh and the guy was already suing the Hawthorne PD. |
Originally Posted by thenuge26
(Post 1027532)
starts walking his extremely threatening looking dog
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Originally Posted by Doppelgänger
(Post 1027541)
Bottom line- dude made his bed and now he has to sleep in it.
now his defenseless DEAD DOG has to... Next time you make mistake, you better pray for your loved ones bro. Apparently that gives police the legal rights to end life. |
Scott, sometimes I think you're more of an anarchist than Jason...
In situations like this, context is everything. Frankly, if an 8 year old kid had started running towards the police pointing a realistic-looking squirt gun at them, they'd have been justified in shooting her. The guy failed to properly retrain his dog. He then went and deliberately escalated what had previously been a relatively calm situation, and created a conflict which resulted in his detention. The aforementioned unrestrained dog than lunged towards a police officer while barking. And it's not like this was a Chihuahua, this is a dog capable of reaching up and putting its forepaws on your shoulders. Frankly, I'm surprised that the officers showed as much restraint as they did. |
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