View Poll Results: Should the Federal Minimum Wage be Raised?
No, those jobs are for teenagers and 2nd incomes.
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62.75%
Yes, to about $10/Hr.
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17.65%
Yes, to about $15/Hr.
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15.69%
Yes, to $_____/Hr.
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Minimum Wage - Should It Be Raised? How Far?
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Holy ****, Sparetire, nobody is claiming that all or even most minimum wage workers are like that*. It's just an example, pointing out that the idea that every single worker is worth at least $10 an hour is absurd. Clearly there are workers who aren't worth $10 an hour.
*Yes, I know someone tacked on a comment about "more like 9 out of 10" or whatever. That's not the point of argument and neither strengthens nor weakens it.
*Yes, I know someone tacked on a comment about "more like 9 out of 10" or whatever. That's not the point of argument and neither strengthens nor weakens it.
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IDK about what school should cost, I don't have a position there. But ASU is home to a ton of very clueless fortunate kids. And incredibly hot women wearing almost nothing. Fun place, but I moved for a reason.
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just looking from the point of view i was at just a few years ago. The increase in cost of everything due to minimum wage raise, without my pay being increased in accordance to the minimum wage raise, I would have more than likely had to drop out of school, and continue the rest of my life in the bottom bracket, never being able to climb out)
Estimates put the inflationary effects of a 10% increase in minimum wage at somewhere around 0.4%. I struggle with the idea that a 0.4% increase in your cost of living would have forced you to "drop out of school and continue the rest of your life in the bottom bracket", as you might imagine.
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But the increase of minimum wage over the years Helped absolutely NOTHING and NOBODY
... But it DID increase inflation... the cost of EVERYTHING over the years has skyrocketed... in correlation with pay raise.
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Holy ****, Sparetire, nobody is claiming that all or even most minimum wage workers are like that*. It's just an example, pointing out that the idea that every single worker is worth at least $10 an hour is absurd. Clearly there are workers who aren't worth $10 an hour.
*Yes, I know someone tacked on a comment about "more like 9 out of 10" or whatever. That's not the point of argument and neither strengthens nor weakens it.
*Yes, I know someone tacked on a comment about "more like 9 out of 10" or whatever. That's not the point of argument and neither strengthens nor weakens it.
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If we want to reduce the cost of welfare, increasing minimum wage isn't the answer. If we increase the minimum wage, the poverty line will soon increase. Not only will we be paying more for our walmart products, we'll still be paying as much in welfare.
If, however, we simply decreased the arbitrary number called the "poverty line", that would decrease our welfare costs immediately while also reducing the incentive for people to not work. All it takes is simply caring less about the comfort of people we generally don't know. I've got a great idea to offset the reduced income generated from welfare - people who receive less welfare than they "need" can find charities that other people voluntarily pay money into. That will quickly prove that we the people, don't care about our fellow man as much as the government tells us we should.
What happened to families taking care of each other when times are tough? If billy broke bob is my brother, then I might be willing to give him a few handouts, but only if I know he'll feel guilty taking those handouts from me, increasing his desire to support himself. If, however, billy broke bob is some guy I don't know who lives in Nevada, I shouldn't be forced to give him any of my money, and he doesn't give a hoot about the money that he does take from me. There is no emotional incentive for him to support himself.
If, however, we simply decreased the arbitrary number called the "poverty line", that would decrease our welfare costs immediately while also reducing the incentive for people to not work. All it takes is simply caring less about the comfort of people we generally don't know. I've got a great idea to offset the reduced income generated from welfare - people who receive less welfare than they "need" can find charities that other people voluntarily pay money into. That will quickly prove that we the people, don't care about our fellow man as much as the government tells us we should.
What happened to families taking care of each other when times are tough? If billy broke bob is my brother, then I might be willing to give him a few handouts, but only if I know he'll feel guilty taking those handouts from me, increasing his desire to support himself. If, however, billy broke bob is some guy I don't know who lives in Nevada, I shouldn't be forced to give him any of my money, and he doesn't give a hoot about the money that he does take from me. There is no emotional incentive for him to support himself.
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http://ftp.iza.org/dp1072.pdf
False, economists (even the ones that disagree about its effects on unemployment) agree that it reduces poverty
False, economists (even the ones that disagree about its effects on unemployment) agree that it reduces poverty
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***** all of this nonsense... we need to go back to the barter system. it worked perfectly fine... if you contributed (skills, goods, labor) then you prospered, and got everything you needed to live.... if you didnt contribute, you died...
Im gonna become "the living man" from those videos. hahaha
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My fundamental argument is that an increase in the minimum wage within the scope of existing data will reduce poverty without having a definitively negative impact on unemployment or GDP growth (see below).
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More importantly, however, it seems that proponents of minimum-wage increases believe that the economy is essentially static. They don't appear to appreciate that there is an observable link, in both directions, between wages and the cost of goods and services.
When the average wage is increased, then demand for things like housing, gasoline and prostitutes also increases. Since the supply of many products and services is not perfectly elastic, the price of these products and services will also rise. Within a few years, the CPI will equalize to a point at which a minimum-wage worker still can't afford to buy a nice condo in the suburbs, and the price of tea in China will remain unchanged.
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I define it as being able to live in an area that's got a murder rate less than about 5/100K/Yr, being able to feed yourself and a child or partner with food from a grocery store, being able to get to that store in some sane manner via public transport that does not take so long you lose working time, and being able to handle a minor medical issue if it should arise.
7.xx does not get you out of shitsville for 95% of the country.
Interesting read on impact of min wage.
http://wrap.warwick.ac.uk/1560/1/WRA...t_twerp630.pdf
7.xx does not get you out of shitsville for 95% of the country.
Interesting read on impact of min wage.
http://wrap.warwick.ac.uk/1560/1/WRA...t_twerp630.pdf
If you want to live in a city where rent is $1500 a month for a zero bedroom efficiency apartment, then no you can't live on the current federal minimum wage. If you want to live in a city with a zero skill job, plan on having room mates.
Come to Rural Indiana! The climate is great, we have seasons but nothing horrible unless there is a polar vortex ******* things up. I have my own home on a 1 acre plot of land, a 1500 square foot house, a 1300 square foot shop, and on a 15 year fixed rate mortgage I am paying $400 a month. My property taxes are $360 this year. I could easily live on minimum wage here, and a "normal" job here pays between 8 and 10 an hour with fast food being minimum wage. I actually have a marketable skillset, so I make substantially more than this and thus live like a king.
Here is why minimum wage is silly... go to any home depot in southern California and you will see where the most liberal state in the Union exploits dark skinned people for under the table labor. Minimum wage is for spoiled white kids who "need" more spending money... not for the "working poor" who typically either work legally for more than minimum wage, or work illegally under the table at less than minimum wage.
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I saw the righting on the wall about manufacturing jobs in America in high school and chose to get into power generation and distribution via the navy nuclear power program. I now have the option of living anywhere in the country making good money. I am now reaping the benefits engendered by my required a 6 year commitment to service in our country's military, with a **** load of hard work at well under minimum wage.
Can everyone do what I did? Nope. Can everyone make some kind of plan and end up making better than minimum wage? Yup. Do I envy a CEO making millions a year? Nope. I could have followed that path and been very good at it, but I chose this path and am happy with my choices in life.
The biggest generator of poverty in the world is an unwrapped dick. If you **** out kids that you can't afford to feed then you are part of the problem, not part of the solution. Condoms can be had for free at a planned parenthood. Even if you have to buy them they are a hell of a lot cheaper than a kid.
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So, a bit of an update.
As some may have heard, NYC is in the process of phasing in a $15 minimum wage for fast-food workers.
On Saturday morning, I found myself in midtown Manhattan, and decided to pop into Mickey-Ds for a quick breakfast. They recently installed three of these kiosks right at the entrance:
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Ordering from the kiosk was fast, easy and intuitive. It didn't misinterpret what I told it, or offer me things I didn't want.
As some may have heard, NYC is in the process of phasing in a $15 minimum wage for fast-food workers.
On Saturday morning, I found myself in midtown Manhattan, and decided to pop into Mickey-Ds for a quick breakfast. They recently installed three of these kiosks right at the entrance:
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Ordering from the kiosk was fast, easy and intuitive. It didn't misinterpret what I told it, or offer me things I didn't want.