Gun Rights: Should you be allowed to own an RPG?
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Oh geez. Here's an interesting analysis.
http://www-nrd.nhtsa.dot.gov/Pubs/811346.pdf
So...if you want fewer auto fatalities, steer the economy into a recession so that youths stay home and play video games instead of driving to work.
In conclusion, the significant decline in fatalities in 2008 was driven by large decreases in crashes involving young drivers, multiple-vehicle crashes, and crashes occurring during weekends. Areas that experienced greater increases in unemployment rates also recorded higher decreases in fatalities. When areas are redefined to include buffer zones, fatalities in rural areas declined more significantly than the fatalities in the urban and suburban areas.
So...if you want fewer auto fatalities, steer the economy into a recession so that youths stay home and play video games instead of driving to work.
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Oh geez. Here's an interesting analysis.
http://www-nrd.nhtsa.dot.gov/Pubs/811346.pdf
So...if you want fewer auto fatalities, steer the economy into a recession so that youths stay home and play video games instead of driving to work.
http://www-nrd.nhtsa.dot.gov/Pubs/811346.pdf
So...if you want fewer auto fatalities, steer the economy into a recession so that youths stay home and play video games instead of driving to work.
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Brainey, I created a new thread for your arguments in favor of eugenics / ethnic-cleansing, so as to keep this thread about firearms legislation. You can find it here: https://www.miataturbo.net/current-e...quently-86897/
Edit: I see that you've retracted your statements and deleted the thread.
Edit 2: This thread isn't about electoral politics, it's about firearms legislation. Please stay on topic. I happen to agree with you on that topic, but this isn't the place for it.
Edit: I see that you've retracted your statements and deleted the thread.
Edit 2: This thread isn't about electoral politics, it's about firearms legislation. Please stay on topic. I happen to agree with you on that topic, but this isn't the place for it.
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From the FBI:
8,583 homicides are commited by firearm. Most of the rest of the total Joe posted are suicides.
Using the 400 police shootings you posted, police killings account for ~4.6% of homicides with firearms.
Just to be clear, I am completely ok with bad guys being killed by police.
8,583 homicides are commited by firearm. Most of the rest of the total Joe posted are suicides.
Using the 400 police shootings you posted, police killings account for ~4.6% of homicides with firearms.
Just to be clear, I am completely ok with bad guys being killed by police.
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Yes, I agree, I don't think the tool being used is as significant as it's made out to be. Showing that more guns leads to more gun homicides is a straw argument, as a country can theoretically eliminate guns and gun perf-uh-nerra (paraphernalia) to get to zero gun-related-deaths while it's citizens fearlessly kill each other at the astounding rate of .1%/year with sticks and stones. The ideal "deaths vs. guns" graph shows total guns vs. all homicides - or even "gun owners per capita" vs. "all homicides per capita".
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From the FBI:
8,583 homicides are commited by firearm. Most of the rest of the total Joe posted are suicides.
Using the 400 police shootings you posted, police killings account for ~4.6% of homicides with firearms.
Just to be clear, I am completely ok with bad guys being killed by police.
8,583 homicides are commited by firearm. Most of the rest of the total Joe posted are suicides.
Using the 400 police shootings you posted, police killings account for ~4.6% of homicides with firearms.
Just to be clear, I am completely ok with bad guys being killed by police.
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From the FBI:
8,583 homicides are commited by firearm. Most of the rest of the total Joe posted are suicides.
Using the 400 police shootings you posted, police killings account for ~4.6% of homicides with firearms.
Just to be clear, I am completely ok with bad guys being killed by police.
8,583 homicides are commited by firearm. Most of the rest of the total Joe posted are suicides.
Using the 400 police shootings you posted, police killings account for ~4.6% of homicides with firearms.
Just to be clear, I am completely ok with bad guys being killed by police.
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And an inforgraphic from The Times, also a source known for reliable fact-checking:
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I've always naively assumed that the whole "gun deaths are an epidemic" thing was wildly blown out of proportion, and that the number of people killed in auto accidents surely had to exceed firearms deaths by at least an order of magnitude. I've even jokingly called for stronger car-control laws to this effect. But, apparently, this is not the case.
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I've always naively assumed that the whole "gun deaths are an epidemic" thing was wildly blown out of proportion, and that the number of people killed in auto accidents surely had to exceed firearms deaths by at least an order of magnitude. I've even jokingly called for stronger car-control laws to this effect. But, apparently, this is not the case.
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The graph you posted only shows that auto deaths has dramatically decreased in recent years and that gun death is remaining steady. The day obama declares that all people going outside must wear body armor, youll also also see a drop in the gun deaths line iin a similar manner. So your call for car-control laws IS the case...
If we plotted the same , along with the number of cars on road and guns on street, it would look even more favorable for guns.
Autos are getting safer over time through safety standards and things like seat belt laws. History shows a spike in the murder rate everytime guns gets regulated. All in all we are much safer today than we ever in recent history than we ever were. If you look at my chart, you can see auto deaths are simply narrowing the gap, but that homicides in general are also in similar decline.
The problem is, were are comparing accidents vs intential murder. We could probably argue that it would be best to compare DUI related fatalities vs gun murders, because at least there's some aspect of criminal behavior. But we all know accidents is one of the biggest killers in the world -- in fact it's the 4th highest cause of death. Murder doesn't make the top ten, but suicide does (although it makes the list for ages 1-24).
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Said it before, saying it again: Evangelical open-carry advocates do more harm to the image of legitimate gun-owners than any ten mass-shooters.
Surprised nobody has yet mentioned the editorial which ran on the front page of The Times this morning. The one which specifically calls for the complete banning and confiscation of guns which look scary.
Brief excerpt:
Full text: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/05/op...n-america.html
Trouble is, merely removing "certain kinds of weapons" ain't gonna do jack ****. So long as anyone has access to anything that'll fire a bullet, qualifying access to certain guns based on their aesthetic characteristics will accomplish absolutely nothing other than to **** off law-abiding citizens.
Here's a useful infographic showing all the weapons used in the 121 largest mass-shootings since 1996. It's the second one from the top: https://www.washingtonpost.com/graph...gs-in-america/
Notice how few of those weapons are "military-style assault rifles." The majority are either sporting / hunting long guns, shotguns, or semi-auto pistols. Even a few revolvers (mostly .38s) round out the mix.
An open letter to US lawmakers:
Time to **** or get off the pot. You need to either repeal the 2nd Amendment and ban / confiscate ALL firearms in civilian ownership, or just walk away and leave the whole firearms market completely unregulated.
Either way, stop ******* around with onesy-twosy laws which accomplish nothing but to create confusion and criminalize nonviolent citizens.
Surprised nobody has yet mentioned the editorial which ran on the front page of The Times this morning. The one which specifically calls for the complete banning and confiscation of guns which look scary.
Brief excerpt:
Certain kinds of weapons, like the slightly modified combat rifles used in California, and certain kinds of ammunition, must be outlawed for civilian ownership. It is possible to define those guns in a clear and effective way and, yes, it would require Americans who own those kinds of weapons to give them up for the good of their fellow citizens.
Full text: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/05/op...n-america.html
Trouble is, merely removing "certain kinds of weapons" ain't gonna do jack ****. So long as anyone has access to anything that'll fire a bullet, qualifying access to certain guns based on their aesthetic characteristics will accomplish absolutely nothing other than to **** off law-abiding citizens.
Here's a useful infographic showing all the weapons used in the 121 largest mass-shootings since 1996. It's the second one from the top: https://www.washingtonpost.com/graph...gs-in-america/
Notice how few of those weapons are "military-style assault rifles." The majority are either sporting / hunting long guns, shotguns, or semi-auto pistols. Even a few revolvers (mostly .38s) round out the mix.
An open letter to US lawmakers:
Time to **** or get off the pot. You need to either repeal the 2nd Amendment and ban / confiscate ALL firearms in civilian ownership, or just walk away and leave the whole firearms market completely unregulated.
Either way, stop ******* around with onesy-twosy laws which accomplish nothing but to create confusion and criminalize nonviolent citizens.