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Old 08-06-2019, 09:26 AM
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Originally Posted by samnavy
And I say this as often as I can... as soon as we have a blue legislative and executive branch at the Federal level, they will pass every single anti-gun bill they can in the first few months of being in office. The landscape of gun ownership will change overnight. They won't give any grace periods or "will be enacted the following year"... it'll be immediate and sweeping. It'll be agenda #1 the first day Congress is in session. They'll create and pass in record time an omnibus that makes prior omnibus' look like line-items. They've probably already got it written, and you won't have to "pass it to see what's in it".
I could have sworn that has already happened with the 111th US Congress and Obama in the White House.
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Old 08-06-2019, 09:57 AM
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Dear Joe Perez,

The NYT changed their headline due to pressure from the left. No bias. No agenda.




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Old 08-06-2019, 09:59 AM
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hmmmm. Seems to be a recurring theme.

The report — which appears on CNN’s website, but has not apparently appeared on air as of this writing — states:
A Twitter account that appears to belong to Dayton mass shooter Connor Bettsretweeted extreme left-wing and anti-police posts, as well as tweets supporting Antifa, or anti-fascist, protesters.

The most recent tweet on the @iamthespookster account was on August 3, the day of the shooting, when he retweeted a post saying, “Millenials have a message for the Joe Biden generation: hurry up and die.” He also retweeted messages supporting Sens. Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren.

The user’s Twitter bio reads: “he/him / anime fan / metalhead / leftist / I’m going to hell and I’m not coming back.” One tweet used the hashtag #HailSatan.

The account also retweeted posts against ICE agents, including one that said, “these people are monsters,” and multiple posts condemning police, and supporting Antifa protesters, who often use violent tactics. There were also many tweets of selfies, photos with a friend and ordinary memes and nonpolitical content.
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Old 08-06-2019, 10:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Braineack
The user’s Twitter bio reads: “he/him / anime fan / metalhead / leftist / I’m going to hell and I’m not coming back.” One tweet used the hashtag #HailSatan.

The account also retweeted posts against ICE agents, including one that said, “these people are monsters,” and multiple posts condemning police, and supporting Antifa protesters, who often use violent tactics. There were also many tweets of selfies, photos with a friend and ordinary memes and nonpolitical content.
To be fair, I've used the hashtag #HailSatan.

And you routinely condemn police. (Although I can't remember you ever posting nonpolitical content.)

Unrelated:

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Old 08-06-2019, 10:12 AM
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I've enjoyed the discussion/debate on gun laws. I have a different take on the whole thing. Bear with me.

I've had an active security clearance for going on four decades. First as an enlisted member, then as a commissioned officer, and now as a contractor. Every year I must take Information Assurance training to retain my access to classified information. I know--I don't BELIEVE, I KNOW--that Hillary Clinton, her staff, and a host of others mishandled classified information. I KNOW that James Comey is a liar about there not being "intent". Intent is not part of the statute. Peter Strozk was former miliitary intelligence. He knows a crime was committed. I know there are democrats in congress that are former military, and I assume quite a few of them required access to classified information to perform their duties and had the appropriate security clearances, and the same recurring training I have. Yet, there are no democrats pushing for Hillary and the others to be tried for her crimes. Therefore, I know there is something wrong with the democrat party, and the system of government as a whole. I have a very hard time believing anything democrats say. That is the foundation of my own political mindset.

Take CO2-based, man-made climate change. Every single democrat in congress believes in it. The idea that CO2 is somehow a pollutant is so ridiculous people that believe in it should not be allowed to breed. The only thing more ridiculous is the notion that our government could fix it, that our government could actively change the climate. Can you imagine Maxine Waters making decisions about climate change management? Therefore, I believe the democrat position has nothing to do with actually changing the climate.

Take illegal immigration. There is no logical explanation how allowing anybody to cross the border, and then giving them free health care and college is good for the country. Yet, all democrats in congress seem to be for it. Therefore, I believe the real reason has nothing to do with compassion for those outside our borders.

Take minimum wage. No matter what the dollar figure is, it will always be the "minimum wage". Hence the name. If the minimum wage were $100 an hour, a large pepperoni pizza would cost about $100. Any reasonable person gets it, yet, every democrat in congress is for it. Therefore, I don't believe it's about a "living wage".

I believe they want to take our guns. That douchebag Swallowell said as much. The list provided by Dr. Tyson in post #15234 helps make my point. Add to that why the government doesn't stop the sale of cigarettes, why aren't the people responsible for the Boeing Max-8 debacle in jail, and why are Teslas still being sold? You have to ask yourself why would democrats try to take on such a large issue like gun control when there are things they can actually do to save American lives.

I know there are good democrats not in congress that would like to do something about gun violence. However, no law will ever be enough. The democrats in congress want to take our guns. We have to ask why.

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Old 08-06-2019, 10:27 AM
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Originally Posted by poormxdad
The democrats in congress want to take our guns. We have to ask why.
"To disarm the people is the most effectual way to enslave them."
- George Mason, The Debates in the Several State Conventions on the Adooption of the Federal Constitution, June 14, 1788
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Old 08-06-2019, 10:32 AM
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"Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed, as they are in almost every country in Europe."
- Noah Webster, An Examination of the Leading Principles of the Federal Constitution, October 10, 1787
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Old 08-06-2019, 10:33 AM
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"The Constitution of the United States asserts that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed."
- Thomas Jefferson, letter to to John Cartwright, 5 June 1824
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"The laws that forbid the carrying of arms are laws of such a nature. They disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes.... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man."
- Thomas Jefferson
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"A free people ought not only to be armed, but disciplined..."
- George Washington, First Annual Address, to both House of Congress, January 8, 1790
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Originally Posted by Joe Perez
And you routinely condemn police. (Although I can't remember you ever posting nonpolitical content.)
I say a lot of dumb things online. it's pretty fun.
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Old 08-06-2019, 10:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Braineack
And we all really know that these were deep state perpetrated incidents to distract us from Pedo Island.


I think you've made a lot of great points, including the one above.
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Originally Posted by poormxdad
Take minimum wage. No matter what the dollar figure is, it will always be the "minimum wage". Hence the name. If the minimum wage were $100 an hour, a large pepperoni pizza would cost about $100. Any reasonable person gets it, yet, every democrat in congress is for it. Therefore, I don't believe it's about a "living wage".
Min. wage is not about the $ amount. It's about votes. Consider that only about 2.3% of the entire hourly workforce makes min. wage or below (58% of all workers). When you combine them to all workers, the number is ~0.004% of the entire workforce, if I did my math correct ( 542,000 out of 138,000,000 ). Source: https://www.bls.gov/opub/reports/min.../2017/home.htm

They only reason it's such a hot topic is that this is an easy way for liberal millionaires to tug at the heart strings of the useful idiot who needs to make themselves feel better about their disgusting lives by taking money from other people and giving it to the less fortunate unearned.

Min. wage directly effects an incredibly trivial amount of workers both to the negative and positive, but it has a huge indirect effect on the business owner and the consumer:

https://www.foxnews.com/us/new-york-...UimW42sEAh5GfE


Published 9 hours ago

New York City businesses struggle after minimum wage increase


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Susannah Koteen, owner of Lido Restaurant in Harlem, said she worries about the impact raising wages could have on her restaurant, where she employs nearly 40 people. She hasn’t had to lay off anyone, but the increase has forced her to cut back on shifts and be more stringent about overtime. She said she changes her menu offerings seasonally and raises prices more often since the wage boost.

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But voters don't care about this. They care about the feel goods of washing away their own sins.
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Old 08-06-2019, 11:22 AM
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not surprised Connor Betts was a Cuck with mental issues:

https://medium.com/@_adeliajohnson_/...r-2b7f2d792b68


My Ex-Boyfriend was the Dayton Shooter


This is not an excuse for Connor Betts. This is just the Connor that I knew.


Leftists normalize these serious mental health issues, then blame guns when everything goes wrong...
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Look what we're not talking about:

https://nypost.com/2019/03/05/ocasio...KvQ7opE-fw1Pa4

A conservative government watchdog group filed a complaint with the Federal Election Commission accusing Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez’s top aide of funneling $1 million in donations into his private accounts in a possible violation of the law, according to a report.

The transfers were made by Saikat Chakrabarti, Ocasio-Cortez’s chief of staff, and may have run afoul of the Federal Election Campaign Act that places a limit of $5,000 on contributions from political action committees to candidates, the Washington Examiner reported Tuesday.

The complaint, filed Monday by the National Legal and Policy Center, said the transfers violated the law because PACs must disclose what those funds were used for — such as advertisements, payments to vendors and donations to candidates.
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Originally Posted by sixshooter
"The laws that forbid the carrying of arms are laws of such a nature. They disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes.... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man."
- Thomas Jefferson
“I advance it therefore as a suspicion only, that the blacks, whether originally a distinct race, or made distinct by time and circumstances, are inferior to the whites in the endowments both of body and mind”.
- Thomas Jefferson

tl;dr: it's pretty silly to take things that made sense 200 years ago and apply them to contemporary society
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Skamba,

Without any response to your quoted statement, are you saying this one is somehow wrong because it is 200 years old?

"The laws that forbid the carrying of arms are laws of such a nature. They disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes.... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man."
- Thomas Jefferson
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Old 08-06-2019, 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Skamba
A common tactic.

The author of this comic is implying that:
  • Securing ones' own borders, and
  • Holding citizens accountable for criminal acts,

are morally equivalent to:
  • Persecuting members of a specific religious group, or
  • Mass murder.

By equivocating these acts, and making them all seem equally hateful and detestable, the comic serves to normalize the anti-accountability agenda which is becoming more and more popular.
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Originally Posted by Joe Perez
A common tactic.

The author of this comic is implying that:
  • Securing ones' own borders, and
  • Holding citizens accountable for criminal acts,

are morally equivalent to:
  • Persecuting members of a specific religious group, or
  • Mass murder.

By equivocating these acts, and making them all seem equally hateful and detestable, the comic serves to normalize the anti-accountability agenda which is becoming more and more popular.
I'm not reading that at all in this picture. What I think the author is trying to say is that :
  • Trump is saying there's no place for hate in the US
  • Trump's rallies are filled with hateful people
Therefore, he comes across as a bit of a hypocrite.
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