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Jeffrey Epstein, accused of sex trafficking, found injured in jail cell
effrey Epstein, who was in a New York correctional center ahead of trial on sex trafficking charges, was found with injuries in his jail cell, according to WABC.
CNN reported a criminal indictment revealed earlier this month stated that multi-millionaire Jeffrey Epstein operated a sex trafficking ring and sexually abused dozens of underage girls.
Epstein was reportedly found barely conscious with injuries to his neck, though it is unclear what caused those injuries.
He was taken to a hospital and later brought back to the correctional center, according to WABC.
Like, if I pay someone to have sex with me, that's a crime. But if I pay someone to have sex with me while someone else films it, that's just business. Except that it would have been a crime if I did is yesterday, but today it's fine because the earth completed another full revolution around the sun relative to its position 18 years ago.
But yeah, there are actually people making serious claims that pedophilia is a legitimate sexual identity (similar to homosexuality, bisexuality, asexuality, and the forty-seven other "alities" on the most recent chart), and should be recognized as such.
Late on a busy news day Wednesday, Fox News published new polling evaluating President Trump’s approval and Americans’ views of his presidency. More than half of Americans approve of his handling of the economy, helping push his job approval to 46 percent — near the upper end of where he’s been.
The poll covered subjects including reactions to Trump’s tweets last week in which he told four nonwhite Democratic members of Congress to “go back” to where they came from. It’s the first time a major pollster has asked people’s opinions about that incident — and the results suggest that Americans largely believed the tweets went too far.
Asked whether the tweets were either an acceptable political attack or over the line, most respondents said that they were the latter. Black and nonwhite respondents were more likely than whites to say that the attacks went too far. A majority of Republicans and of Trump voters, on the other hand, said that the attacks were acceptable.
(...)
But it doesn’t appear to have been considered particularly newsworthy by Fox News itself. Areview of closed-captions] from Wednesday captured by the Internet Archive and a search of Fox content on the site TVEyes turns up several mentions of the poll itself — but none of its findings on Trump’s tweets his views on race.
On Thursday morning, the network’s morning show “Fox & Friends” did cover the good approval numbers for Trump and the positive views of the economy. That earned a shout-out from the show’s biggest fan, sitting in his big white house in Washington.
But the show didn’t then delve into the results dealing with Trump’s tweets. Instead, it transitioned to another story entirely: A resurfaced video from February of last year in which Rep. Ilhan Omar (D-Minn.) points out that white men kill more people than terrorists.
(much more in the article, trying not to wall-of-text the thread.)
But yeah, there are actually people making serious claims that pedophilia is a legitimate sexual identity (similar to homosexuality, bisexuality, asexuality, and the forty-seven other "alities" on the most recent chart), and should be recognized as such.
I mean, I can see the argument. I imagine it's a hard wired condition. Recognizing it as a sexual identity and maintaining that it cannot be acted upon are not mutually exclusive. Children can't consent so it doesn't matter if that's your sexual identity. You got dealt a **** hand and now you have to repress your sexual urges your whole life because acting on them is wrong and illegal.
Law and order did a great episode about this very issue all the way back in 2009. It explored pedophilia as a sexual orientation and all of the uncomfortable feelings people have about it. They even discuss how society should deal with people who admit they are pedophiles but never act on their urges and even see help to combat them. I thought it was incredibly well done.
Children can't consent so it doesn't matter if that's your sexual identity. You got dealt a **** hand and now you have to repress your sexual urges your whole life because acting on them is wrong and illegal.
Which, of course, opens up the floor to questions about how a 16 year old is sufficiently developed to make life-or-death decisions about other peoples' lives while driving a motor vehicle, but not sufficiently developed to make decisions about their own genitalia.
The concept of consent is a legal fiction. It exists, with rigidly defined parameters, only because we say that it does. It is much like the Fair Use doctrine, or the concept of marriage as a strictly monogamous union in this regard; none of these things are inherent in human nature, they are proclamations made by the state, based upon an approximation of the moral standards of the majority.
And they evolve.
At one time, homosexuality was a crime. Today it's normalized and depicted in advertisements for clothing and rail travel.
At one time, marriage between people of different races was a crime. Ditto the "today" above.
In Tennessee, it's legal for a 10 year old girl to marry a 30 year old man (source) whereas just across the border in Kentucky, it isn't.
In 2016, it was legal for 14 year olds to marry in New York. Today it isn't.
Social norms change with time. Laws also change to reflect that.
OR maybe you have to repress your sexual urges your whole life, cause the liberal uncle who repeatedly raped you at age 5 told you he'd kill you if you tell on him... Pedophiles aren't humans.
Late on a busy news day Wednesday, Fox News published new polling evaluating President Trump’s approval and Americans’ views of his presidency. More than half of Americans approve of his handling of the economy, helping push his job approval to 46 percent — near the upper end of where he’s been.
The poll covered subjects including reactions to Trump’s tweets last week in which he told four nonwhite Democratic members of Congress to “go back” to where they came from. It’s the first time a major pollster has asked people’s opinions about that incident — and the results suggest that Americans largely believed the tweets went too far.
Asked whether the tweets were either an acceptable political attack or over the line, most respondents said that they were the latter. Black and nonwhite respondents were more likely than whites to say that the attacks went too far. A majority of Republicans and of Trump voters, on the other hand, said that the attacks were acceptable.
(...)
But it doesn’t appear to have been considered particularly newsworthy by Fox News itself. Areview of closed-captions] from Wednesday captured by the Internet Archive and a search of Fox content on the site TVEyes turns up several mentions of the poll itself — but none of its findings on Trump’s tweets his views on race.
On Thursday morning, the network’s morning show “Fox & Friends” did cover the good approval numbers for Trump and the positive views of the economy. That earned a shout-out from the show’s biggest fan, sitting in his big white house in Washington.
But the show didn’t then delve into the results dealing with Trump’s tweets. Instead, it transitioned to another story entirely: A resurfaced video from February of last year in which Rep. Ilhan Omar (D-Minn.) points out that white men kill more people than terrorists.
(much more in the article, trying not to wall-of-text the thread.)
Fox polling finds that Americans think Trump’s tweets were racist. Fox didn’t cover it.
Except that's not what the poll said, now is it? The poll asked if his statements were "over the line", according to the article. If your story doesn't fit your narrative, make up a false headline and run with it. Yellow journalism much, Wapo?
Social norms change with time. Laws also change to reflect that.
Where we draw the line changes and evolves which I don't necessarily think is a bad thing. None of what you said really addressed what I said. Driving is an unrelated argument as there are much different implications and practical concerns related to access to an automobile. You can kill someone with a car but you can also kill someone with a baseball bat. We let kids use baseball bats everyday. We also let them shoot guns.
The topic was pedophilia as a sexual orientation and whether that is a legitimate claim and how you handle it. I think the claim has legitimacy and you deal with it by drawing the line of consent and still enforcing. The act of being a pedophile isn't a crime as long as you don't act on your urges in a way that violates the law. The reasonableness of any given law or the specific age of consent is an entirely separate issue.
OR maybe you have to repress your sexual urges your whole life, cause the liberal uncle who repeatedly raped you at age 5 told you he'd kill you if you tell on him...
Your contempt for liberals is well-known, but it got me wondering whether there is a strong correlation between political liberalism and sexual assault. Personally, I've always thought that sexual assault tended to be correlated with things like poverty and ruralism, which are not strongly correlated with political liberalism, and maybe even weakly correlated with political conservatism if you focus on the southeast as a region which is more uniformly rural and poor than most areas which are strongly liberal (the west and northeast.)
So I got some data on the number of registered sex offenders in each state (source), and put that on one column of a spreadsheet. Then I downloaded the 2010 US census data and put it in the next column, and then divided the two to determine what percentage of the total population of that state are registered sex offenders.
Then, I took the results of the 2008 and 2016 US Presidential Elections, and marked each state Red or Blue in two other columns. (I ignored 2012, as incumbent candidates win re-election the majority of the time, regardless of party affiliation, and that would skew the data.)
Finally, I sorted the columns by "Offenders as a percentage" from highest to lowest, so that the rapey-est states floated to the top of the chart.
Here's the results:
(incorrect data)
Quite an interesting result, and one which I didn't predict. In the top 20, there's a mix of blue and red, with a slight preference for blue. Then the middle is mostly red, and then the bottom is mostly blue again.
So, as a broad generalization, red states tend to have an average incidence of sex crimes, whereas blue states are among both the most rapey and least rapey, with no obvious correlations which I can find to tie them together (geography, average household income, number of bicycles per capita, etc.)
Last edited by Joe Perez; 07-25-2019 at 06:33 PM.
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We can examine that. Here is a searchable database of registered sex offenders which lets you drill down to the city / neighborhood level: http://www.city-data.com/so/sexoffenders.html
Let's pick Florida, because I like to make fun of Florida.
Florida's largest city is Jacksonville (pop 892,062), which has 2,200 registered sex offenders, for a resident : sex offender ratio of around 400:1. Now, that's a lot of sex offenders, but it absolutely pales in comparison to the town of Okeechobee, which is nowhere near any major city. There are 127 sex offenders in Okeechobee, out of a population of 5,553, which means that one out of every 44 people you meet in Okeechobee is a registered sex offender.
One out of every 44!
Here in Chicago (pop 2.7 million) it's one out of every 926. LA (pop 4 million) is about the same. Jacksonville has less than 1/3 the population, but more the double the ratio of sex offenders.
I can find no strong correlation between city size and ratio of sex offenders.
Your contempt for liberals is well-known, but it got me wondering whether there is a strong correlation between political liberalism and sexual assault. Personally, I've always thought that sexual assault tended to be correlated with things like poverty and ruralism, which are not strongly correlated with political liberalism, and maybe even weakly correlated with political conservatism if you focus on the southeast as a region which is more uniformly rural and poor than most areas which are strongly liberal (the west and northeast.)
So I got some data on the number of registered sex offenders in each state (source), and put that on one column of a spreadsheet. Then I downloaded the 2010 US census data and put it in the next column, and then divided the two to determine what percentage of the total population of that state are registered sex offenders.
Then, I took the results of the 2008 and 2016 US Presidential Elections, and marked each state Red or Blue in two other columns. (I ignored 2012, as incumbent candidates win re-election the majority of the time, regardless of party affiliation, and that would skew the data.)
Finally, I sorted the columns by "Offenders as a percentage" from highest to lowest, so that the rapey-est states floated to the top of the chart.
Here's the results:
Quite an interesting result, and one which I didn't predict. In the top 20, there's a mix of blue and red, with a slight preference for blue. Then the middle is mostly red, and then the bottom is mostly blue again.
So, as a broad generalization, red states tend to have an average incidence of sex crimes, whereas blue states are among both the most rapey and least rapey, with no obvious correlations which I can find to tie them together (geography, average household income, number of bicycles per capita, etc.)
Just another reason to live in PA, which should also be in red in 2016
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