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03-04-2018, 11:10 AM
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Florida senate approved AR-15 ban for 15 minutes before rescinding it | TheHill
Florida senate approved AR-15 ban for 15 minutes before rescinding it | TheHill
In a rare Saturday session, Florida's state legislature briefly accepted and then rejected a measure banning the sale of AR-15 assault rifles — the type of weapon used in the Feb. 14 shooting at a South Florida high school.
A Saturday voice vote in the state Senate, whose members generally firmly oppose firearm restrictions, passed an amendment approving a two-year moratorium on sales of the weapon, according to the Tampa Bay Times.
While the Senate president ruled that the amendment passed, the body reconsidered the amendment 15 minutes later and overturned it by a margin of 21-17 in a roll call vote, with each "no" vote cast by a Republican. Two Republicans backed the moratorium on the rifle.
In the all-day Senate session, lawmakers considered multiple measures aimed at reducing gun violence, including millions of dollars for school safety and improving mental health services, after the tragic shooting in Parkland, Fla., where 17 people were killed. A final vote on legislation is slated for Monday.
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A Saturday voice vote in the state Senate, whose members generally firmly oppose firearm restrictions, passed an amendment approving a two-year moratorium on sales of the weapon, according to the Tampa Bay Times.
While the Senate president ruled that the amendment passed, the body reconsidered the amendment 15 minutes later and overturned it by a margin of 21-17 in a roll call vote, with each "no" vote cast by a Republican. Two Republicans backed the moratorium on the rifle.
In the all-day Senate session, lawmakers considered multiple measures aimed at reducing gun violence, including millions of dollars for school safety and improving mental health services, after the tragic shooting in Parkland, Fla., where 17 people were killed. A final vote on legislation is slated for Monday.
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03-04-2018, 11:28 AM
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I'm honestly kind of surprised that the numbers are that low.
I mean, seriously, only 104 deaths per million registered years for the very worst* car on the list? I'm pretty sure that the fatality rate is higher for ice cream cones and pony rides.
Seeing the Challenger and Mustang there are no surprise, but I am puzzled by the absence of Porsche and BMW from this list. Either they build staggeringly robust cars (a notion which is anecdotally disproved by the fact that one of my employees' cars, a 3-series BMW, caught on fire while sitting in the parking lot of the TV station last week, unoccupied and with the engine off, and burned to the ground), or their owners aren't quite what Jeremy Clarkson would have led us to believe.
I mean, seriously, only 104 deaths per million registered years for the very worst* car on the list? I'm pretty sure that the fatality rate is higher for ice cream cones and pony rides.
Seeing the Challenger and Mustang there are no surprise, but I am puzzled by the absence of Porsche and BMW from this list. Either they build staggeringly robust cars (a notion which is anecdotally disproved by the fact that one of my employees' cars, a 3-series BMW, caught on fire while sitting in the parking lot of the TV station last week, unoccupied and with the engine off, and burned to the ground), or their owners aren't quite what Jeremy Clarkson would have led us to believe.
* = worst in pretty much every way imaginable, not just occupant safety.
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03-04-2018, 12:34 PM
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Wait...
Is it sorted by just a random assortment of one million registered vehicles. Or is it deaths per million of each vehicle make?
I'm guessing the first one. Because the more deaths in a vehicle will also correlate with how many of that particular vehicle is on the road.
I also don't understand "deaths per 1 million registered vehicle years", makes no sense to me.
Is it sorted by just a random assortment of one million registered vehicles. Or is it deaths per million of each vehicle make?
I'm guessing the first one. Because the more deaths in a vehicle will also correlate with how many of that particular vehicle is on the road.
I also don't understand "deaths per 1 million registered vehicle years", makes no sense to me.
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03-04-2018, 01:21 PM
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1 million registered vehicle years could be 1 million vehicles registered for one year, or 100,000 vehicles registered for ten years, or any similar permutation.
What if there are less than a million of a given vehicle on the road? Say that there are 50,000 Alejandro Mogatos on the road in total. (They're a small shop, but have been in business for decades.) If 5 people were killed in a Mogato in one year, we extrapolate upwards and say that the average fatality rate is 100 deaths per million registered vehicle years.
Visualize it this way:
You capture a sample of 250,000 Dacia Sanderos, 250,000 Kia Souls, and 250,000 Nissan Maximas. You look at the traffic fatality data for four years. During that time, 67 of the Maxima occupants died in traffic collisions, 84 Soul occupants died in traffic collisions, and a few thousand Sandero occupants died in traffic collisions.
From this, we infer that the fatality rate for the Maxima is 67 deaths per million registered vehicle-years, the fatality rate for the Soul is 84 deaths per million registered vehicle-years, and that you really just shouldn't buy a Dacia Sandero.
Clear?
I'm really kind of shocked that the numbers are this low.
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03-04-2018, 04:15 PM
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Look at the disparity in the composition of each vehicle's accidents, that seems to me to be problematic. Is there some analysis as to the 'why' for those differences? Or is the data a bit suss? The Golf has no single vehicle accent fatalities - really?
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03-05-2018, 08:31 AM
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common sense gun legislation.
how is that infringing on the 2A/5A/14A?
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03-05-2018, 10:08 AM
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I keep looking at the single-vehicle rollover stats.
You expect to see the Nissan Titan there. But the Scion tC and the Hyundai Accent? WTF are those folks doing?
You expect to see the Nissan Titan there. But the Scion tC and the Hyundai Accent? WTF are those folks doing?
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