I mean, this shows you exactly how a progressive tax system works. rich states fund poor states with a few exceptions. you're the one that supports it silly.
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Originally Posted by Braineack
(Post 817369)
I mean, this shows you exactly how a progressive tax system works. rich states fund poor states with a few exceptions.
you're the one that supports it silly. Seriously, I'm not in support of our current tax system. My proposed tax system makes everyone's brains melt that I talk to about it, but you know what? Here's the tax system I support. A flat income (Not sales, income) tax that is Capital Gains. Any income you get is taxed based on cap gains. That's it. Everyone pays the same. There's a bit more, but suggesting I support our current tax system is insanity. |
Originally Posted by blaen99
(Post 817371)
I do? Where? Aww, Brainy, did you just put words in my mouth? That's sooo cuuuuuuuuuute~!
A flat income (Not sales, income) tax that is Capital Gains. Any income you get is taxed based on cap gains. That's it. Everyone pays the same. There's a bit more, but suggesting I support our current tax system is insanity. it eliminates preferences. (credits, loopholes, etc) no double taxation. (death, captial gains, savings, dividines) it treats everyone fairly. real fair, not beaucratic fair. and it minimizies penalties on productive behavior. equal justice under law. |
Originally Posted by Braineack
(Post 817375)
you did the same to me, I'll do the same to you. You posted an obvious left/right thing, not rich vs poor thing.
But in this case, the obvious left/right thing was synonymous with rich vs. poor. That's part of what makes it such an Epic Chart, and it's not even based on trickery or lies - the facts came from a conservative think tank! I'm more found of a national sales tax only, with no chance of an income tax, but why would that make my brain melt. that's 100% fair. it eliminates preferences. (credits, loopholes, etc) no double taxation. (death, captial gains, savings, dividines) it treats everyone fairly. real fair, not beaucratic fair. and it minimizies penalties on productive behavior. equal justice under law. Eliminate all welfare. Eliminate all subsidy programs everywhere (IDGAF if it's gasoline, crops, or your ----------ing EBT). US Citizens who file a tax return receive a rebate back equal to one half to three quarters (If married) of the poverty line - even if they paid less in taxes. US Gov't provides a basic level of universal health care to everyone, similar to Medicaid now (If you want better health care though, you have to get private insurance.). US Gov't establishes a program that the states administrate allowing those who can prove medical need (Blind, paralyzed, etc.) to receive medically-relevant aid. It manages to offend everyone. |
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Originally Posted by fooger03
(Post 817069)
I understand and respect your opinions, please understand and respect the opinions of the non-sarcastically hypothetical "woman that you knocked up".
but i cant respect an opinion that serves to destroy something of mine,against my will, particularly an unborn child
Originally Posted by fooger03
(Post 817069)
You should understand that the consequences of failed contraception is that she has full authority over her own body.
Originally Posted by fooger03
(Post 817069)
(as well as the burden of physiological change which comes with having born a child)
if this sounds ridiculous to you then u should hear yourself talk
Originally Posted by fooger03
(Post 817069)
My understandably objectionable opinions allow each parent to exercise control over only their *own* lives.
i dont expect u to understand after all you think it is ok to literally kill babies
Originally Posted by fooger03
(Post 817069)
The current status quo (laws) allow the woman to exercise control over the man's life, by bearing a child that he would otherwise not consent to having,
i said it before and will say it again there are consequence to lifes actions only a big wimp runs away from his kid and leaves him high and dry like that.
Originally Posted by fooger03
(Post 817069)
Nearly every person understands that "conception" is one of the risks of *protected and unprotected* sex. Not every person is of the opinion that a "child" is one of the risks of conception.
under current law you have no say so if she has an abortion therefore it is a fact that a child is a risk of conception for you just because one wishes to lead a lifestyle where they can run away from the consequences of their actions doesn't make it ok
Originally Posted by fooger03
(Post 817069)
Murder? I argue opinion. Define "murder".
killing someone who did nothing to deserve it dont come at me with your "a blowjob isn't sexual" arguement thats just ridiculous
Originally Posted by fooger03
(Post 817069)
What is wrong with euthanasia?
and thinking about that alone should help someone understand why our founding fathers were in pursuit of liberty and not "the greater good" |
You know, I've recently had a discussion on the topic of illegal immigration, and a massive---------lightbulb went off in my head.
Why are we so focused on illegal aliens in the first place? Trying to deport them and do all this is like playing whack a mole. We should be addressing the issue that makes them come over here. And the gov't has tools to do that. But they would have to actively prosecute businesses that employ illegal aliens. This prosecution is incredibly rare. Prosecute a business that employs hundreds of illegal aliens, or try to hunt down and catch hundreds of illegal aliens? It seems pretty ------- obvious what the choice should be. Sadly, the cynical side of me wants to admit the gov't does it intentionally, to justify more and more invasion into people's personal lives, and to make it a big voting issue to get more votes. |
its not even a big deal they come over, just they do it illegally...
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Originally Posted by Braineack
(Post 817476)
its not even a big deal they come over, just they do it illegally...
Why bother trying to fight symptoms? Go to the cause. Save money, get effective results. |
The government is already doing something. It is devaluing the dollar and turning us into a third world country. The rate of exchange has changed drastically with many countries and many no longer look to the dollar as being more stable. Their citizens used to look at the US as the best place on earth to be. Now they stay home and start their own businesses in thriving economies.
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Originally Posted by jared8783
(Post 817446)
ok then there mr. "for accounting purposes" then according to how it is you justifiy things then i will sue her for emotional grief that i suffered due to the abortion of my unborn child
if this sounds ridiculous to you then u should hear yourself talk
Originally Posted by jared8783
(Post 817446)
no it gives the woman full control over the unborn child and the father no option
Originally Posted by jared8783
(Post 817446)
i dont expect u to understand after all you think it is ok to literally kill babies the man did consent to the posibility of having a child by sticking his penis inside of her i said it before and will say it again there are consequence to lifes actions only a big wimp runs away from his kid and leaves him high and dry like that.
Originally Posted by jared8783
(Post 817446)
did you seriously just ask that? under current law you have no say so if she has an abortion therefore it is a fact that a child is a risk of conception for you
Originally Posted by jared8783
(Post 817446)
just because one wishes to lead a lifestyle where they can run away from the consequences of their actions doesn't make it ok
Originally Posted by jared8783
(Post 817446)
you know exactly what i meant killing someone who did nothing to deserve it dont come at me with your "a blowjob isn't sexual" arguement thats just ridiculous
Originally Posted by jared8783
(Post 817446)
brain said it very well when he asked you how you would feel about being euthanized
Originally Posted by jared8783
(Post 817446)
and thinking about that alone should help someone understand why our founding fathers were in pursuit of liberty and not "the greater good" |
Originally Posted by fooger03
(Post 817512)
I feel like much of your argument is based on how "wrong" my opinions are, while I feel like much of my argument is based on how "closed minded" you are to other people opinions.
yes we are entitled to our opinions the main thing i am trying to show you is how you are wrong in saying that
Originally Posted by fooger03
(Post 817512)
My understandably objectionable opinions allow each parent to exercise control over only their *own* lives.
and btw obviously more people that just me carry the opinion that someone is a POS if they run away from the consequences of their actions ie: unexpected child and the reason why i have been ignoring your "talk about abortion before your one night stand" issue is this yes of course i dont intend on having sex with women who believe in abortions, but there is nothing to stop her from changing her opinion before the actual abortion occurs and no i do not intend on signing a legally binding contract before intercourse is that what you do? not a pre-nup but a pre-fuk lol |
simply put i just plain fail to understand how it is in your mind that you justify giving her full control over what is half me. im sure u and i will never see eye to eye.
the question is how do others feel about the discussion we have had? |
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Originally Posted by jared8783
(Post 817571)
simply put i just plain fail to understand how it is in your mind that you justify giving her full control over what is half me. im sure u and i will never see eye to eye.
the question is how do others feel about the discussion we have had? If you want use of her uterus, compensate her for it. You are complaining about "her having no right to do something that is half yours", and yet you are ignoring that it's her body and her uterus. |
oh my gosh
i totally understand that her uterus is hers but an unborn child in it is half mine perhaps i should charge her for my sperm? ya know if i accidently knock her up and i want an abortion and she doesn't lmao you guys crack me up edit: i have already made my point now i am just going overboard. unless specifically asked a question i will shut up on this topic |
Originally Posted by jared8783
(Post 817669)
oh my gosh
i totally understand that her uterus is hers but an unborn child in it is half mine perhaps i should charge her for my sperm? ya know if i accidently knock her up and i want an abortion and she doesn't lmao you guys crack me up |
I do actually understand your discontent about a woman having the ability to take the life of your child
I have also known women that "changed their mind" on abortion, once the child was theirs - hormonal changes during pregnancy do funny things to a woman's mental state. Lastly, I have two friends who have had abortions. One of them, while married to the father, claims it is the largest mistake she has ever made in her life, but she also says she is glad that she was allowed to make that mistake herself, because it gave her a new view on life. Her second pregnancy was to a run-away father, and I would gladly put my fist through the back of his face, given the chance, but she stayed with it, and now has a clingy "momma's boy". She wouldn't trade him for the world. |
http://blogs.ngm.com/.a/6a00e0098226...4340970c-800wi
Found this interesting. P.S. ---- Romney http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/01/0...getting-fired/ |
Originally Posted by olderguy
(Post 817485)
The government is already doing something. It is devaluing the dollar and turning us into a third world country. The rate of exchange has changed drastically with many countries and many no longer look to the dollar as being more stable. Their citizens used to look at the US as the best place on earth to be. Now they stay home and start their own businesses in thriving economies.
The average Chinese or Indian citizen would see a huge increase in their standard of living by moving up to the average Mexican's standard of living, which is still well below the average American's.
Originally Posted by blaen99
(Post 817736)
Found this interesting.
The average spending also has to take in to account the availability of certain health care. For example, some of the drugs and procedures available in the USA might be wildly expensive and not available in other countries (or not performed as successfuly). Thus, Person A with some life-threatening disease might spend a large sum of money in the USA and the Person B in other nations might either be denied access to those procedures or they might not be available. That would translate to the USA having a higher average health care spending per person. Likewise, that table includes all public and private health care spending - including hospitals and infrastructure. If you compare the Winnie Palmer facility to a brick hospital from the 1800s, that will also skew the results. |
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