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Probably because she's giving it? I think we should wait until it's history to judge.
When it was given, I doubt anybody thought Neville Chamberlain's "peace in our time" speech would be historic for the reason it ultimately became so. Maybe there's a lesson in there - let's hope there's not a parallel.
When it was given, I doubt anybody thought Neville Chamberlain's "peace in our time" speech would be historic for the reason it ultimately became so. Maybe there's a lesson in there - let's hope there's not a parallel.
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I guess you also believe slavery is an American Ideal? Since we participated in that as well. Why are you so racist?
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Probably because she's giving it? I think we should wait until it's history to judge.
When it was given, I doubt anybody thought Neville Chamberlain's "peace in our time" speech would be historic for the reason it ultimately became so. Maybe there's a lesson in there - let's hope there's not a parallel.
When it was given, I doubt anybody thought Neville Chamberlain's "peace in our time" speech would be historic for the reason it ultimately became so. Maybe there's a lesson in there - let's hope there's not a parallel.
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Yes, being impressed into military service involuntarily probably sucks. I wouldn't know, as I've been fortunate to have been a teenager / 20-something during an era free of large-scale conflict, but in general, I tend to agree with you.
On the other hand, this is one of those sticky situations in which, as Spock would say, the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. Speaking from a detached and neutral standpoint, the existence of the draft during the revolutionary and civil wars was less bad than the country not existing at all. And the existence of the draft during WW1 and WW2 was less bad than a world dominated by national socialism.
I'm not even going to address the draft during Korea and Vietnam. Proxy wars suck.
On the other hand, this is one of those sticky situations in which, as Spock would say, the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. Speaking from a detached and neutral standpoint, the existence of the draft during the revolutionary and civil wars was less bad than the country not existing at all. And the existence of the draft during WW1 and WW2 was less bad than a world dominated by national socialism.
I'm not even going to address the draft during Korea and Vietnam. Proxy wars suck.
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I'd say that the odds are against you on that one. Just because you don't like something doesn't make it unconstitutional.
(And, seriously, stop devaluing the word "unconstitutional" by throwing it around so freely. It's as bad as those SJW's who shout RAPE! every time a straight white cis male looks at them.)
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I already said they haven't ruled on it.
I don't have the power to rule something unconstitutional, but i have the 1A right to claim everything is. But I don't see how the draft is not "involuntary servitude", unless being an american citizen over the age of 18 is a crime and conviction upon itself. Had there been no draft, we wouldnt of had shitty "wars" like Korea or Vietnam because all those hippies wouldn't have signed up to fight in that BS. Of course a freedom hating liberal like Carter would try to reestablish it.
But nice dodge on the slavery being an american ideal question.
I don't have the power to rule something unconstitutional, but i have the 1A right to claim everything is. But I don't see how the draft is not "involuntary servitude", unless being an american citizen over the age of 18 is a crime and conviction upon itself. Had there been no draft, we wouldnt of had shitty "wars" like Korea or Vietnam because all those hippies wouldn't have signed up to fight in that BS. Of course a freedom hating liberal like Carter would try to reestablish it.
But nice dodge on the slavery being an american ideal question.
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In fact, one of the principle arguments which was put forth in favor of the passage of the second amendment, along with guarding against foreign enemies and a tyrannical state, was the need for citizens (and, specifically land-owners) to be able to put down "domestic insurrection," which was, at the time of the authorship of the Constitution / Bill of Rights was a polite way of saying "slave uprising."
However, the founders understood that times change, and so must laws and constitutions. That's why they wrote Article V, which lays out the method by which the constitution may be amended to reflect changes in society and its requirements, and why they wrote Article III Section 2, which appointed a specific judicial body (the Supreme Court) to be the final word in interpreting the constitution in the context of their age.
These points, and especially the latter, seem to be lost on some people who would call themselves strict constitutional literalists. If you truly believe in the constitution, then you must accept that it is both changeable and open to interpretation- because it clearly says that it is.
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no, it's just plain wrong. you know exactly what i mean by american ideals, but you're just being a ---- like normal.
dont worry, ---- means something different to me than you.
dont worry, ---- means something different to me than you.
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I tend to disagree that the draft is a violation of individual rights - I do believe that the "male only" aspect of it has become sexist in a nation with so many self-proclaimed feminists running around - if I, being a male and as such, historically the breadwinning gender and head-of-household can be drafted, then today's "women" who "don't need no man" can be drafted as well.
The draft is an extension of individual rights, not a violation of them. You, as an American, have the right to all of the things the constitution says that you have a right to, but only because you agree, as an American, to be called to service to your country in times when the individual rights of the group are threatened. You also have a right to give up your rights, leave the country, and become a citizen of someone else's country who doesn't institute a draft.
The draft is an extension of individual rights, not a violation of them. You, as an American, have the right to all of the things the constitution says that you have a right to, but only because you agree, as an American, to be called to service to your country in times when the individual rights of the group are threatened. You also have a right to give up your rights, leave the country, and become a citizen of someone else's country who doesn't institute a draft.