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Originally Posted by mgeoffriau
(Post 806411)
None. He's already said that elimination of the cabinet departments will not involve cessation of those functions or layoffs of current employees. There will simply be no new funding allocated for those departments and the employee base will be reduced by attrition.
EDITED TO ADD: And even if it did, what would it matter? Gradual change is kinder than immediate, but either way it only helps to shift those employees out of unproductive jobs into productive jobs. |
You left out a word. I'm sure you can figure it out.
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Originally Posted by mgeoffriau
(Post 806411)
None. He's already said that elimination of the cabinet departments will not involve cessation of those functions or layoffs of current employees. There will simply be no new funding allocated for those departments and the employee base will be reduced by attrition.
I am not understanding the fundamental difference between starving it of an operating budget and just shuttering it completely.
Originally Posted by mgeoffriau
And even if it did, what would it matter? Gradual change is kinder than immediate, but either way it only helps to shift those employees out of unproductive jobs into productive jobs.
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Better?
The wording is not important, the point is. |
Current (as opposed to new) funding would continue (though reduced to 2006 levels). No mandatory layoffs. Some responsibilities shifted to state and local control. 10% reduction in federal work force accomplished through attrition as departments shrink over time.
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That sounds like a lot of political BS to me. I thought he was supposed to be super honest and not say misleading things?
BTW Scrappy Jack, I:love: you. It can a hard life in here trying to preach reason, rational thinking and occasional empathy, especially alone. |
Originally Posted by Gearhead_318
(Post 806439)
That sounds like a lot of political BS to me. I thought he was supposed to be super honest and not say misleading things?
Great discussion! Keep it up! |
Regarding the question of the real feasibility of serious budget cuts when forced to work with Congress, etc. -- is this really an actual objection? It's counted as a strike against Ron Paul that others may not be willing to cut the budget as much as he'd like?
Of course it would be a battle for him to construct a budget that has some serious cuts that would get passed by Congress. That's how the system works. But at the very least, we'd have a chief executive who actually desires budget cuts, rather than just another liar who says he's cutting the budget by X amount, when what he really means is that he's cutting into projected future spending increases by X amount (but when we reach that point, we'll probably not cut the spending increase by X anyway). One step at a time. Get a President who's serious about constructing a balanced budget, and then vote out the jackasses in Congress if they won't pass it. |
any country that's serious about their future reduces & limits gov't spending, and gets rid of pointless pencil pusher jobs that do nothing but slow the economy. This is something even Canada beats us at.
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Originally Posted by Scrappy Jack
(Post 806188)
One has to work with a bunch of other people to get anything done and has begun withdrawal of active combat troops if I understand correctly
Originally Posted by jared8783
(Post 806200)
Could you elaborate on the efforts that President Obama has made for bringing the troops home that have been blocked?
Originally Posted by Scrappy Jack
(Post 806333)
At what point did I say President Obama's efforts to bring home troops in Iraq have been blocked?
guilty as charged my point is that the president of the united states has full power to bring the troops home whenever he pleases as a congress man ron paul does not lemme rephrase my question. were you trying to say that obama can't bring the troops home right now if he wants too? and why did he break his campaign promise? is it because he did not have the power? |
Originally Posted by mgeoffriau
(Post 806432)
Current (as opposed to new) funding would continue (though reduced to 2006 levels). No mandatory layoffs. Some responsibilities shifted to state and local control. 10% reduction in federal work force accomplished through attrition as departments shrink over time.
Assume it is calendar year 2014 and the Department of TSP Reports has a budget of $2 billion for fiscal year 2015. What happens in calendar year 2015 under your understanding of Paul's plan? After that? |
Just so you know, I wrote to my congresswoman and one of the things she (or more likely her secretary) pointed me to was this:
If you would like to report welfare fraud and abuse in Florida, please e-mail the Florida Department of Children and Families at http://www.dcf.state.fl.us/admin/ig/fraud.shtml So if you know some POS welfare abuser in FL, report them. |
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Uh, isn't that first?
And fuck yes, GO PAUL |
Edit: Beat me to it |
It really is pretty damn comical (assuming that is not shooped).
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Originally Posted by Scrappy Jack
(Post 806919)
It really is pretty damn comical (assuming that is not shooped).
Also, I saw something where Fox "accidentally" put Obama's face in place of Paul's. |
Originally Posted by Gearhead_318
(Post 806958)
I laugh whenever I learn that somebody watches Fox news too.
Also, I saw something where Fox "accidentally" put Obama's face in place of Paul's. The comical part was the continued Rodney Dangerfielding of Ron Paul. |
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