first of all this thread has gone from "in good humor" to bashing the protesters
this should be going on in a properly labeled thread example: occupy wall street debate, that would be a nice title that being said in the new spirit of this thread are you guys seriously believing this fox news demands list bs without seeing what the protesters have to say? ok you saw the thing talking bad about it if you want an un-biased view you need to look up some pro-occupy wall street stuff lets first think to ourselves the news agencies have a job to do that is to get you to read/watch them and hopefully in turn purchase products from their sponsors that posted list of demands makes for some great news as far as their interests goes (obviously). something like that will get passed around from person to person cuz they find it ridiculas and want to laugh with their friends about it occupywallstreet.org has that list of demands on their site http://occupywallst.org/forum/propos...all-st-moveme/ it was posted by a SINGLE user there is an admin note saying that this list wasnt even proposed at an assembly in NYC let alone voted on. if you read on the comments there is alot of talk about energy (some want to kill oil, they better not fuck with my miata hobby, and we know they can obviously not succede in that) but you can see in the posts that most people dont agree with that list of demands (the one that hasn't even been proposed at an assembly) i am still trying to see if the protesters have published a list of demands one thing for sure they dont protest people for being rich they protest the system for benifiting them more than the middle class lobbying is not cool now dont go bashing me for supporting occupy i have more research to do before making a stance but one thing is for sure when it comes to doing research http://cache.ohinternet.com/images/b...g-it-wrong.jpg |
if you go here you can see a list of SERIOUS proposed demands
there is no official list of demands at the moment http://coupmedia.org/occupywallstree...l-demands-2009 things in this country might be going a little better if the news was focused on spreading the truth instead of their financial interests |
Originally Posted by jared8783
(Post 782812)
things in this country might be going a little better if the news was focused on spreading the truth instead of their financial interests
The mass media's owners are basically in the same good ole boys network as the financial and power elite. Their editors-in-chief will never "stray from the reservation". The (relatively) centralized control over the dissemination of information (and especially opinion) is eroding due to the internet, as the cost of said dissemination drops due to technology. The old business models are dying. The New York Times has been a money loser for many years now. This is the end run around them. |
Since General Electric owns the White House you won't see much changing in the near future.
BTW, it is amusing to me that the vast majority of the occupiers don't have jobs and are woefully undereducated. Since education is the last priority of the teachers' unions I'm not surprised. Jared, your words would carry more weight without being misspelled. Firefox browser has a built in spellchecker but Firefox is owned by a corporation so you might not want to use it. Wait, ALL BROWSERS ARE OWNED BY CORPORATIONS! It's a conspiracy I tell you. |
Originally Posted by sixshooter
(Post 782902)
BTW, it is amusing to me that the vast majority of the occupiers don't have jobs and are woefully undereducated.
have you even looked to see what the protesters have to say on their site or have you just looked to see what media sources say about them? are you properly educated on the topic? should i trust what public schools (funded by my government) when they talk to me about government? is this what we call a conflict of interest?
Originally Posted by sixshooter
(Post 782902)
Jared, your words would carry more weight without being misspelled. Firefox browser has a built in spellchecker but Firefox is owned by a corporation so you might not want to use it. Wait, ALL BROWSERS ARE OWNED BY CORPORATIONS! It's a conspiracy I tell you.
but wait i spell that wrong it must mean that i am wrong :rofl: but seriously what does MY spelling have to do with the FACTS of the situation? btw i use google chrome WITH a spell checker thank you very much. and lmao it says i spelled google wrong. hahahahaha. and yes until that picture with protesters using products got posted i was unaware as too how most of the items in my life are produced by corporations. (this should be obvious sarcasm) i cant seem to find the spot in my post where i mentioned that all corporations are evil and participating in conspiracy please dont make claims that cant be backed up and dont bash me for things i didnt say that my friend is how lies are spread we need be skeptical of all news sources (be they mainstream or underground) to learn the truth |
This "occupy" dude gets it right:
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^ while he obviously exaggerated on our exports (we do export non-violence related products) he truly has his facts straight and i can back up everything he said
but please keep in mind what six shooter ignored
Originally Posted by jared8783
(Post 782801)
now dont go bashing me for supporting occupy
i have more research to do before making a stance well hey look at that i got no red squiggly lines everything is spelled right can i be taken seriously now? |
The occupy guys have their heart in the right place. However they are very misguided.
They confuse CAPITALISM and CORPORATISM. Corporatism = Big Biz and Gov't in bed together. Result: gov't passes laws that *reduce* free market competition and screw the rest of us. |
Originally Posted by jared8783
(Post 782907)
can you back up this claim with hard data or is it an assumption?
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Not a single event on the schedule starts before my lunch break....maybe their all independent contractors and consultants?
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Originally Posted by mgeoffriau
(Post 782933)
So....what? They're taking vacation days to show up for the protest? Come on. It's a bunch of kids who went and got expensive liberal arts degrees (like I did) but aren't willing to get over it and get an entry level job and work their way up (like I did).
yes of course because 100% or hell even the majority for that matter are spending 24/7 of their time there. not really ever hear of a weekend warrior? or perhaps a motivated individual is going there everyday after work? i dont know and thats the whole point you dont know eithor you guys have absolutely no reason (until proven other wise) that the majority of the protesters are unemployed assumptions, assumptions, assumptions. as of right now that's all that is not saying you guys are wrong i have a very open mind i can be proven wrong and when that happens i will publicly announce that i was wrong simple as that just saying that ALOT of people are bashing these people hardcore for this and its all based on assumptions boy am i sure glad a court of law doesn't work like this and if you guys are right i only argue facts what does the protesters employment status have to do with the facts? common assumption does not equal common fact do you really wanna base your political views (politics obviously being one of the biggest factors affecting our lives) on assumptions? i intend on attending the first day of occupy fort wayne (a large city that i dont live too far from) this saturday with a VERY skeptical eye as i am not well educated right now as to what these protesters are all about i will be video recording everything that i can perhaps you guys can come up with some employment questions that i can ask as many people that i see the videos will obviously be unedited i know yes im not in NYC and there will surely be margin of error but its far better than an assumption |
Originally Posted by cymx5
(Post 782946)
Not a single event on the schedule starts before my lunch break....maybe their all independent contractors and consultants?
are there scheduled events on the weekends? are there protests in the evenings? where are you from? edit: i see you are in chicago i am not too far from there |
i thought there was a big job crisis in america right now?
btw before i get bashed for this i have a job been there over two years now i am in elkhart indiana our city is the RV capital of the world RV's are a very expensive luxury so obviously we took a BIG hit when the recession was really tough for a time we had the highest unemployment rate in the country i forget what it was but is was considerably over 20% obama made a speach in our city at the very high school i attended for that reason i landed my current job in august 2009 unemployment in my city at the time was a whopping 19.8% and this is the best paying job i have ever landed in my life and pays more than most ever achieve in their lifetime in this city as i said i am VERY open minded and dont currently hold a stance on the proteste (non-biased) i need more FACTS against the protests |
Originally Posted by cymx5
(Post 782946)
Not a single event on the schedule starts before my lunch break....maybe their all independent contractors and consultants?
on their main page as well as their education events page you can see many events starting after 12:00pm and some even as late as 9:00pm |
This guy explains why most of the Occupy peeps are misguided:
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Originally Posted by mgeoffriau
(Post 782933)
So....what? They're taking vacation days to show up for the protest? Come on. It's a bunch of kids who went and got expensive liberal arts degrees (like I did) but aren't willing to get over it and get an entry level job and work their way up (like I did).
Also, as far as the hole thing about the protesters not liking corporations yet they use electronics made my corporations, I think it's blatantly obvious that they are not protesting most companies, but the ones who use there money to do things like donate huge amounts of cash to get there guy elected and/or there agenda pushed. |
i must say i truly dont see much if any good happening as a result of these protests
Originally Posted by Gearhead_318
(Post 782993)
Do you think the jobless rate is as high as it is because people don't feel like working? No, these people can not find jobs so they are instead protesting something they feel is unjust. I don't mean to say there are not people that choose not to work, there are, however the people who are protesting probably can't find jobs
yes many bums do exist remember when mcdonalds had its nationwide job day? do some research on that many mcdonalds had hundreds show up at single locations |
Think about how many of them would work for less than minimum wage.
http://www.tobytoons.com/td/files/to...11012_nypd.jpg |
Originally Posted by JasonC SBB
(Post 782965)
This guy explains why most of the Occupy peeps are misguided:
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Originally Posted by jared8783
(Post 782954)
i thought there was a big job crisis in america right now?
Originally Posted by Gearhead_318
(Post 782993)
Do you think the jobless rate is as high as it is because people don't feel like working? No, these people can not find jobs so they are instead protesting something they feel is unjust. I don't mean to say there are not people that choose not to work, there are, however the people who are protesting probably can't find jobs.
The fact that (apparently) hundreds showed up at each location on McDonald's Hiring Day is revealing. Why weren't they at McDonald's a week prior, or a month prior, or 6 months prior, applying for jobs? McDonald's apparently intended to hire 50,000 workers in April -- which is roughly the same amount of workers they hired last April for the summer. The only difference is that this year they picked a specific date and stuck a PR-friendly name on it. I'm not saying being unemployed is easy. I'm very thankful I have a job that pays the bills, but I'm also very mindful that I work at an independent business that could easily go under if the market tanked further. Job security is not a right. Stop encouraging dumbass policies like raising the minimum wage that actually hurt employment. Stop the financial looting made possible by government regulation and easy credit creation. Stop monetizing the debt and inflating our currency. |
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