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RON PAUL WINS FIRST PLACE IN 2012 ILLINOIS REPUBLICAN PRE-PRESIDENTIAL STRAW POLL
http://www.ronpaul2012.com/2011/11/0...al-straw-poll/ Complete straw poll results are as follows: Paul 52% Cain 18% Romney 14% Gingrich 9% Perry 2.5% Huntsman 1.5% Santorum 1.2% Bachmann 1.1% |
Originally Posted by cymx5
(Post 792611)
RON PAUL WINS FIRST PLACE IN 2012 ILLINOIS REPUBLICAN PRE-PRESIDENTIAL STRAW POLL
HELL YEAH second thats pretty common for him to win polls VERY common in fact it is just uncommon for media to report it they will report the polls he was in and won or damn near but it is common for them to exclude his results from the results |
skip to the 1:54 mark to see a classic example of his straw poll results being excluded in the media
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Originally Posted by jared8783
(Post 792568)
i dont understand the point to the video?^^
he recognized that there is no proof on eithor side what does evolution have to do with politics anyways?
Originally Posted by Braineack
(Post 792598)
Darwin's theory of evolution can get torn apart pretty bad...when you use science of today :)
Originally Posted by jared8783
(Post 792618)
Mainstream media ignores Ron Paul
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Originally Posted by Gearhead_318
(Post 792645)
Saying theres no proof of evolution is like saying theres no proof the Earth revolves around the Sun, there both technically theories.
I'd like to know more about this. I take it your not saying you don't believe in evolution. but please if you want to discuss it further i would really appreciate it if you started another thread. there are a couple of points i would like to make on it but i just don't want to clog this political thread with scientific theories |
Originally Posted by cymx5
(Post 792611)
RON PAUL WINS FIRST PLACE IN 2012 ILLINOIS REPUBLICAN PRE-PRESIDENTIAL STRAW POLL
http://www.ronpaul2012.com/2011/11/0...al-straw-poll/ "In a surprising twist, Herman Cain came in 2nd place in the Illinois straw poll, beating Romney who came in 3rd. Rick Perry finished a distant 5th with only 2.5%." :D On the other hand, does anyone have any data on correlation of straw poll wins relative to actual primary wins? |
Originally Posted by Gearhead_318
(Post 792645)
I'd like to know more about this. I take it your not saying you don't believe in evolution.
Darwin claims that its through a process of random mutations that allows the "fittest" to survive and reproduce. If this were the case for every mutation that was desirable and worked, then there's be hundreds of thousands of failed mutations. When's the last time you saw a bird with gills? that's random. Fossil records proves it wrong. We always find new species, or that current ones stay the same for thousands of years, but never evidence that a species is somehow evolving into something better. |
You don't understand it. Its not big changes like elephants born with wings. Its Very, Very, small changes like the ever so slightly taller giraffes can reach the food easier, multiplied over millennia. So we don't see it as "mutations" when we look back, we just see that giraffes grew very long necks over time.
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evolution as a rather vague term that includes natural adaption (a blaize pointed out)
and speciation. i dont think anyone with a brain deny natural adaption. most all creationists believe in natural adaptation. that is something we can whitness. though speciation is a theory that simply can not be observed and therefore not proven i have yet to hear of proof of this
Originally Posted by Blaize
(Post 792707)
You don't understand it. Its not big changes like elephants born with wings. Its Very, Very, small changes like the ever so slightly taller giraffes can reach the food easier, multiplied over millennia. So we don't see it as "mutations" when we look back, we just see that giraffes grew very long necks over time.
but nothing more than a theory |
Hey man you have your theory, I have mine. (no magic in mine though).
How this can still be an actual debate, amongst adults, floors me. I have been away to long. In the rest of the western world it simply never comes up. they/we just leave science to the scientists, and understand what religion is, what and who it is for and how to interpret it. People who actually think creationism is literally true are about as common as people who think Bigfoot is alive in the U.S. But with respect, I should never have posted. These arguments are why I left the U.S. and why I promised myself to not read the political forum here anymore. |
Originally Posted by jared8783
(Post 792709)
to me it seems far fetched that we share an ancestor based on ancient bones. its a nice theory
but nothing more than a theory Not saying one way or another is absolutely true. But I think there are a few theories that can be ruled out pretty quickly :rofl: This technically is politics right? Well current events at least? oh well. |
Originally Posted by Blaize
(Post 792725)
Hey man you have your theory, I have mine. (no magic in mine though).
im just pointing out that they are both just theories and to me it sounds rather magical that we are a result of mutations http://www.theibug.com/wp-content/up...ichael-bay.jpg
Originally Posted by Blaize
(Post 792725)
But with respect, I should never have posted. These arguments are why I left the U.S. and why I promised myself to not read the political forum here anymore.
yeah i feel that there are alot of closed minded people here |
Originally Posted by Blaize
(Post 792725)
Hey man you have your theory, I have mine. (no magic in mine though).
How this can still be an actual debate, amongst adults, floors me. I have been away to long. In the rest of the western world it simply never comes up. they/we just leave science to the scientists, and understand what religion is, what and who it is for and how to interpret it. People who actually think creationism is literally true are about as common as people who think Bigfoot is alive in the U.S. But with respect, I should never have posted. These arguments are why I left the U.S. and why I promised myself to not read the political forum here anymore. you cant come up with a theory, then get mad when it gets proved wrong more often than not. talk about a rage quit. and i never argued for creationism, only against one part of a theory. i question everything. |
Originally Posted by FRT_Fun
(Post 792732)
You think THAT is farfetched? There are plenty of things, much more farfetched sounding than this, which are proven each day
though there are many farfetched theories that have been proven wrong the earth was once flat :rofl: i will believe in speciation when it is proven not until
Originally Posted by FRT_Fun
(Post 792732)
This technically is politics right? Well current events at least? oh well.
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Originally Posted by FRT_Fun
(Post 792732)
This technically is politics right? Well current events at least? oh well.
Is there any relevance to all of this gearhead? |
Originally Posted by jared8783
(Post 792740)
Is there any relevance to all of this gearhead?
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Originally Posted by Gearhead_318
(Post 792749)
I just posted a video of Ron Paul, totally relevant IMO.
obama used to smoke cigarettes what does any ot this have to do with politics? what about a video of a politician eating dinner i fail to see the relevancy imo edit: i guess to be a bit more polite and technical what i should be asking is how could this effect his policies? |
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We can have a much more fruitful discussion of evolution in another thread.
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