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04-18-2023, 08:14 PM
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"FOX News Media, Dominion Voting Systems reach agreement over defamation lawsuit"
That's the headline of Fox's own article, reporting on the fact that they paid $785 million in order to avoid having to testify in court. Fox themselves don't actually mention that they paid a dime, mind you. As is so often the case, you have to look elsewhere for that information.
Instead, Fox is actually throwing their (soon to be formerly) biggest supporter under the bus in order to deflect blame from themselves. Their uncharacteristically brief report ends: "Then-President Donald Trump and his allies fiercely challenged Joe Biden's victory in the weeks following the election. Some of them, including members of his legal team, made false and unsubstantiated claims against Dominion Voting Systems and are the subject of separate defamation lawsuits."
https://www.foxnews.com/media/fox-ne...mation-lawsuit
Trump himself is puzzlingly silent on the matter. The only big news he dropped today on his Truth Social media platform is that a new series of Trump NFTs was released today, and sold out in a few hours.
That's the headline of Fox's own article, reporting on the fact that they paid $785 million in order to avoid having to testify in court. Fox themselves don't actually mention that they paid a dime, mind you. As is so often the case, you have to look elsewhere for that information.
Instead, Fox is actually throwing their (soon to be formerly) biggest supporter under the bus in order to deflect blame from themselves. Their uncharacteristically brief report ends: "Then-President Donald Trump and his allies fiercely challenged Joe Biden's victory in the weeks following the election. Some of them, including members of his legal team, made false and unsubstantiated claims against Dominion Voting Systems and are the subject of separate defamation lawsuits."
https://www.foxnews.com/media/fox-ne...mation-lawsuit
Trump himself is puzzlingly silent on the matter. The only big news he dropped today on his Truth Social media platform is that a new series of Trump NFTs was released today, and sold out in a few hours.
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04-18-2023, 08:40 PM
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"FOX News Media, Dominion Voting Systems reach agreement over defamation lawsuit"
That's the headline of Fox's own article, reporting on the fact that they paid $785 million in order to avoid having to testify in court. Fox themselves don't actually mention that they paid a dime, mind you. As is so often the case, you have to look elsewhere for that information.
That's the headline of Fox's own article, reporting on the fact that they paid $785 million in order to avoid having to testify in court. Fox themselves don't actually mention that they paid a dime, mind you. As is so often the case, you have to look elsewhere for that information.
I guess that from Fox’s point of view, it’s better to just pay up and make this go away, but much of what I’ve read suggests that ultimately Dominion would have lost on 1st Amendment grounds. OTOH, it might’ve been pretty embarrassing to have a bunch of on-air talent admit that they disbelieved what they were selling.
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04-19-2023, 02:58 PM
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Two interesting points in that post. I skated right past "...it might’ve been pretty embarrassing to have a bunch of on-air talent admit that they disbelieved what they were selling" to "Fox News Media’s insurance company". I believe deep in my heart Fox capitulated to make all the other people being sued scared shitless. From all that I've read, the Dominion machines are capable of being controlled via the internet, can be manipulated to incorrectly count votes, can move votes from one candidate to another, etc., etc., so how in hell can there be any defamation?
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04-19-2023, 07:50 PM
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Did you mean to use a word other than "hypotenuse" here? The only meaning of that word I am familiar with is the longest side of a right triangle. I even checked multiple dictionaries trying to find some relevant definition, and came up empty.
The thing is that Rupert Murdoch, as well as several hosts such as Hannity and Carlson are already on record from the deposition phase of the trial, as well as from emails and text messages produced during discovery, as plainly stating that they were aware that many of the allegations made by Trump and his lawyers were either unfounded or deliberate fabrications, but continued to endorse them in order to generate ratings.
In one example, when Murdoch was asked why he continued to allow MyPillow CEO Mike Lindell to make election fraud claims on Fox News, he said that it was a business decision. Quoting him directly, “it is not red or blue, it is green.”
Hannity, while under deposition, stated that “That whole narrative that Sidney (Powell, Trump attorney) was pushing, I did not believe it for one second.”
Remember that Fox's ratings took a nose-dive after they were the first network to call Arizona for Joe Biden during the election. They alienated a large part of their fanbase, and were in damage-control mode trying to build the ratings back up. And they succeeded. Now their top execs and hosts are on record as saying that they pushed these narratives, knowing or believing them to be false, in order to generate ratings.
I realize I'm not gonna change anyone's mind here. If you believe that Dominion did in fact change votes in order to get Biden in office, then you're naturally going to believe that Fox is not merely innocent, but praiseworthy for calling this out.
All I'm saying is that the individuals at Fox involved in that reporting are on record, under oath, as having said that they knew they were providing a platform for lies to be spread, and endorsing the people making those lies, and that they did so to make money. Those are their own words.
Either they actually did knowingly broadcast all sorts of falsehood over the past two years, or they all just committed perjury by claiming that they did. Neither of those scenarios are praiseworthy.
Two interesting points in that post. I skated right past "...it might’ve been pretty embarrassing to have a bunch of on-air talent admit that they disbelieved what they were selling" to "Fox News Media’s insurance company". I believe deep in my heart Fox capitulated to make all the other people being sued scared shitless. From all that I've read, the Dominion machines are capable of being controlled via the internet, can be manipulated to incorrectly count votes, can move votes from one candidate to another, etc., etc., so how in hell can there be any defamation?
In one example, when Murdoch was asked why he continued to allow MyPillow CEO Mike Lindell to make election fraud claims on Fox News, he said that it was a business decision. Quoting him directly, “it is not red or blue, it is green.”
Hannity, while under deposition, stated that “That whole narrative that Sidney (Powell, Trump attorney) was pushing, I did not believe it for one second.”
Remember that Fox's ratings took a nose-dive after they were the first network to call Arizona for Joe Biden during the election. They alienated a large part of their fanbase, and were in damage-control mode trying to build the ratings back up. And they succeeded. Now their top execs and hosts are on record as saying that they pushed these narratives, knowing or believing them to be false, in order to generate ratings.
I realize I'm not gonna change anyone's mind here. If you believe that Dominion did in fact change votes in order to get Biden in office, then you're naturally going to believe that Fox is not merely innocent, but praiseworthy for calling this out.
All I'm saying is that the individuals at Fox involved in that reporting are on record, under oath, as having said that they knew they were providing a platform for lies to be spread, and endorsing the people making those lies, and that they did so to make money. Those are their own words.
Either they actually did knowingly broadcast all sorts of falsehood over the past two years, or they all just committed perjury by claiming that they did. Neither of those scenarios are praiseworthy.
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04-19-2023, 09:02 PM
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I honestly don't understand your point. Let me back up a bit.
No democrat at any level of government--executive, legislative, or judicial; federal; state, or local--has supported a forensic audit of the 2020 election. Not one. If I were Biden and I believed I was duly elected but a large portion of the population, including some democrats, believe the election was stolen by, or for, me, I would do everything in my power to prove I won the election fair and square. They have not only not supported audits, some states have passed (or tried to pass) legislation that would make questioning an election or canvassing voters a crime, among other things. The Dominion machines are a major part of the election controversy. They are absolutely 100% not required for timely results of an honest election, and yet, all democrats everywhere want to keep the machines. Why? Something is definitely not right.
I can't listen to Hannity. Fox is controlled opposition. While I agree with you they were, for example, allowing Lindell to make accusations they didn't necessarily believe, every day that goes by new evidence comes to light there was widespread election fraud.
Are you saying that it doesn't matter if Lindell and Trump are eventually proven right about the machines, Fox still defamed Dominion?
No democrat at any level of government--executive, legislative, or judicial; federal; state, or local--has supported a forensic audit of the 2020 election. Not one. If I were Biden and I believed I was duly elected but a large portion of the population, including some democrats, believe the election was stolen by, or for, me, I would do everything in my power to prove I won the election fair and square. They have not only not supported audits, some states have passed (or tried to pass) legislation that would make questioning an election or canvassing voters a crime, among other things. The Dominion machines are a major part of the election controversy. They are absolutely 100% not required for timely results of an honest election, and yet, all democrats everywhere want to keep the machines. Why? Something is definitely not right.
I can't listen to Hannity. Fox is controlled opposition. While I agree with you they were, for example, allowing Lindell to make accusations they didn't necessarily believe, every day that goes by new evidence comes to light there was widespread election fraud.
Are you saying that it doesn't matter if Lindell and Trump are eventually proven right about the machines, Fox still defamed Dominion?
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04-19-2023, 10:09 PM
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My point is that Rupert Murdoch, and a number of individuals with editorial authority on the Fox networks, are all on record, under oath at deposition, as stating that they knowingly broadcast and endorsed statements which, in their own judgement they had determined to be lies, in order to boost their ratings and make money.
That's it.
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04-20-2023, 08:16 AM
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https://thegrayzone.com/2023/04/18/9...-cia-recruits/
Obtained by SpyTalk, the filing is a 21-page declaration by Don Canestraro, a lead investigator for the Office of Military Commissions, the legal body overseeing the cases of 9/11 defendants. It summarizes classified government discovery disclosures, and private interviews he conducted with anonymous high-ranking CIA and FBI officials. Many agents who spoke to Canestraro headed up Operation Encore, the Bureau’s aborted, long-running probe into Saudi government connections to the 9/11 attack...
they also killed JFK, kidnapped the MI governor, and were responsible for the J6 dust up, among others...
https://thegrayzone.com/2023/04/18/9...-cia-recruits/
At least two 9/11 hijackers had been recruited into a joint CIA-Saudi intelligence operation that was covered up at the highest level, according to an explosive new court filing.
A newly-released court filing raises grave questions about the relationship between Alec Station, a CIA unit set up to track Al Qaeda chief Osama bin Laden and his associates, and two 9/11 hijackers leading up to the attacks, which was subject to a coverup at the highest levels of the FBI.Obtained by SpyTalk, the filing is a 21-page declaration by Don Canestraro, a lead investigator for the Office of Military Commissions, the legal body overseeing the cases of 9/11 defendants. It summarizes classified government discovery disclosures, and private interviews he conducted with anonymous high-ranking CIA and FBI officials. Many agents who spoke to Canestraro headed up Operation Encore, the Bureau’s aborted, long-running probe into Saudi government connections to the 9/11 attack...
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04-20-2023, 08:36 AM
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All FOX would have to do was prove they didn't know the statements were lies. Or at least have presented them, themselves, in a way that they were theories, not fact.
The problem is they had internal communications that suggested upper management didn't believe their own reporting. Proving malice is now easier.
That's something the problem don't want the viewers to know either -- that they were specifically spoon feeding them the Kraken for ratings (but again, they are an entertainment company). This isn't some new concept, FOX is just novice at the game -- all the MSM did this in 2016 when Trump won (guests and hosts denying the election, and making other false statements about him for the 4 years he served as President).
FOX shareholders, however, are now suing to make the directors liable for these losses.
It's also crazy the settlement was close to $800mm for a company worth $40mm in 2018. Follow the money.
My biggest problem is: how do these directors/executive/hosts know the statements are false/unfounded, if they haven't been thoroughly tested? Asking for my friend Galileo.
If investigative journalism still existed today, we could probably find the truth in things, but for now Richard Jewell will remain in jail.
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04-20-2023, 09:26 AM
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It took a journalist doing their job, instead of being a mouthpiece for the government, to free Richard Jewell and find the real perpetrator.
Today, the few of these journalist who still exist today are vilified and cancelled by the mouthpiece mob. As well as removed from social media on behest of their government handlers.
Today, the few of these journalist who still exist today are vilified and cancelled by the mouthpiece mob. As well as removed from social media on behest of their government handlers.
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