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Vaccines are so effective, that 17 out of 3,200 people will get a "breakthrough" infection. This is clearly the fault and responsibility of unvaccinated people in Nebraska.
There was no reason to defriend me on FB just because I wanted you to provide the covid vaccine transmission reduction rate stats you claimed were significant.
Surely it's easy to prove: we can just look at Greece's own covid cases and get a good picture on how well the vaccines are reducing the spread of covid and preventing deaths better than last year when no one was vaccinated:
I regularly unfriend everyone on FB that spreads covid conspiracy theories and antivaccination. You are not special.
Go to page 3, line 2. 79.97% of ICU patients are unvaccinated. Current overall vaccination rate: 66%. So 34% of the total population (unvaccinated) makes up for 80% of the ICU patientis. Must be a coincidence.
Last year, with the original strain we had strict stay-at-home for almost everyone except essential workers. This year, with delta which is 2x more contagious (https://www.yalemedicine.org/news/5-...-variant-covid), everything is open and there is almost no lockdown (you can still go anywhere with a negative rapid test or PCR test). So I don't know how you can compare between these two years.
Moreover, there is currently no known data source that monitors cases vs vaccination status. What I can tell you, is that last year, the average tests per day was 20-40K while this year, because you need to do a rapid test or pcr test for most things if you are unvaccinated, the rolling 7-day average per day is 367K (per day, page 5 of the report). So with at least 700% more tests per day, I would expect to have 500%+ more cases.
Go to page 3, line 2. 79.97% of ICU patients are unvaccinated. Current overall vaccination rate: 66%. So 34% of the total population (unvaccinated) makes up for 80% of the ICU patientis. Must be a coincidence.
Last year, with the original strain we had strict stay-at-home for almost everyone except essential workers. This year, with delta which is 2x more contagious (https://www.yalemedicine.org/news/5-...-variant-covid), everything is open and there is almost no lockdown (you can still go anywhere with a negative rapid test or PCR test). So I don't know how you can compare between these two years.
Moreover, there is currently no known data source that monitors cases vs vaccination status. What I can tell you, is that last year, the average tests per day was 20-40K while this year, because you need to do a rapid test or pcr test for most things if you are unvaccinated, the rolling 7-day average per day is 367K (per day, page 5 of the report). So with at least 700% more tests per day, I would expect to have 500%+ more cases.
Time to reply with a meme and no actual data.
Original PCR tests were known crap. Hate to keep getting anecdotal but my own dad tested positive, twice. Both of those "positives" are memorialized as Covid positive....forever.
Stay-at-home was a joke, and still is. Florida has the lowest Covid rates, but had a spike in the summer. Many theorize the spike happened because that's when Floridians all hole up inside their air-conditioned homes.
Last, you have to wonder why there's no way to measure cases vs. vaccine status. Weird how that happens. If you look to England--where they don't have that problem--hospitalization are running over 70% vaccinated to unvaccinated. Go figure.
How long can you last watching this video challenge:
I watched the entire thing and it made me sick. She is, however correct that we should stop encouraging student loans.
But implying that she cannot get rid of her remaining $17K is hogwash. I suspect that she has better things to do with her capital than pay the low interest loans is more the true story.
And the implication that student loans taken for women's studies is somehow going to help us solve important problems is also total hogwash.
First off, I asked for the transmission reduction rate and you gave me ICU %.
Secondly, If the hippopotamus is: the vaccine does not reduce transmission rates.
then you show me this:
vaxxed % vs case.
All you have done is: solidify my theory that the vaccine does not reduce the transmission of covid whatsoever. Cases shouldn't climb so rapidly as the vast majority of your population becomes vaccinated, when the vaccine supposedly has a measurable (still waiting for that number) transmission reduction rate.
Regardless of goalposts behaviors, we should see covid cases reduced significantly over pre Feb. 2021 levels. But we don't -- as Delta has spread throughout your country in starting Mid 2021, the vaccine has done nothing to slow/stop the transmission.
"But Brainesack, imagine if no one got vaccinated, how awful the Delta wave would have been," you say?
I'm not buying it. Almost ever country around the world has a similar spike in Mid 2021 regardless of mask, lockdown, and vaccine laws/rates; with some exceptions like Sweden...
There's a HUGE population worldwide that is now vaccinated, and now we are all moving onto 3rd and 4th shots, yet still seeing more deaths and infections over 2020 when there was no vaccine available whatsoever. I'm sorry, but the numbers simply don't add up. You can't keep claiming the vaccine is stopping the spread and then when it doesn't blame the people living their lives freely, and/or the small minority of people who aren't vaccinated at this point.
when the world's governments round up all the unvaccinated citizens and forcefully vaccinate and quarantine them and the COVID infections continue to climb what will blame then?
The vaccine either works or it doesn't. We were told if you get the vaccine it would stop the spread and you can go about life normally. But by normal they mean not normally, and by so the spread they meant not at all.
But braineasack, no one ever said you couldn't still get covid!!! It's super rare! But by rare i mean incredibly common.
I think if we just raise taxes then we will finally solve :insert issue:
The new deaths of patients with COVID-19 are 116, while since the beginning of the epidemic a total of 18,716 deaths have been recorded. 95.4% had underlying disease and / or age 70 years and older.
Last, you have to wonder why there's no way to measure cases vs. vaccine status.
One does wonder why it's not easy to find stats on covid positivity vs. vaccine status...
meanwhile in the states:
It's weird this data seems to correlate with my wild conspiracy theories.
It's also weird that GA has roughly the same population of Greece, much lower vaccination rates, and yet a much lower average of covid cases per 7 days. 1,305 vs ~6,500.
We even have super-spreader sporting events in GA recently...
What I find most odd is, if you go back a month, things have only gotten much worse for the most % vaxxed states, but the lowest 10 have stayed steady or improved:
drip, drip, drip. damn leaky faucet.
I draw the following conclusions:
the vaccine does NOT slow the spread/transmission of covid.
the vaccine INCREASES the spread of covid.
the vaccine possibly INCREASES your chances of being infected with covid, or at least does not reduce your chances on being infected with covid.
First off, I asked for the transmission reduction rate and you gave me ICU %.
To my knowledge there is no such number. And to provide it, one would have to examine the cases and make a table with
vaccinated/unvaccinated status. I don't think anyone is doing it, and perhaps the fact that the testing is not formalized
meaning you have to give out your SSN when performing the test to check your vaccination status makes things a little
weird.
Originally Posted by Braineack
Secondly, If the hippopotamus is: the vaccine does not reduce transmission rates.
See above.
Originally Posted by Braineack
then you show me this:
vaxxed % vs case.
Incorrect. This is a timeline for covid deaths. The red line is the total number of dead people. The grey is the death per day.
The axis on the left says "Number of new deaths" (grey) and the right axis says "Total number of deaths" (red).
Originally Posted by Braineack
I'm not buying it.
Good for you.
Originally Posted by Braineack
blame the small minority of people who aren't vaccinated at this point.
35% is not a small minority.
Originally Posted by Braineack
The vaccine either works or it doesn't.
I'm sorry that you don't understand how vaccines work. There is no vaccine that is currently 100% effective on any disease. The average protection for any vaccine is 90%. This means that 1 in 10 people will still get infected/won't be protected from the virus that a particular vaccine is made for. There are many reasons for this, I'm not a biologist or a virologist so I don't know or comprehend the details.
If we can't agree that vaccines are not 100% effective, then the entire conversation is completely pointless.
One thing that I do want to research is why the vaccines for the 2019-nCov lose their effectiveness after 6-9 months while other vaccines seem to work for 2-25 years. I suspect the virus type plays a huge role here.
Btw you do get booster shots for other vaccines as well. For example whooping cough requires a booster at age 11. Tetanus at 45 and 65. So they are nothing new.
One thing that I do want to research is why the vaccines for the 2019-nCov lose their effectiveness after 6-9 months while other vaccines seem to work for 2-25 years. I suspect the virus type plays a huge role here.
I suspect it was the vaccine type, not the virus itself. coronavirus is nothing new, although man-made coronavirus is...
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