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08-04-2021, 09:49 AM
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Another possible cause / effect flow is:
Vaccines are available -> Government reduces measures -> Covid numbers go up
We recently had a spike where the government allowed nightlife again because we were getting close to 50% vaccination, and cases + hospitalization were dropping. When the nightlife opened up again we jumped from 500 to 10000 cases within 10 days or so. I'm sure that if you plot a graph with vaccinations and cases you might also think that vaccines directly caused the spike. If anyone is interested, you can see it in a graph here.
Vaccines are available -> Government reduces measures -> Covid numbers go up
We recently had a spike where the government allowed nightlife again because we were getting close to 50% vaccination, and cases + hospitalization were dropping. When the nightlife opened up again we jumped from 500 to 10000 cases within 10 days or so. I'm sure that if you plot a graph with vaccinations and cases you might also think that vaccines directly caused the spike. If anyone is interested, you can see it in a graph here.
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08-04-2021, 09:54 AM
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Another possible cause / effect flow is:
Vaccines are available -> Government reduces measures -> Covid numbers go up
We recently had a spike where the government allowed nightlife again because we were getting close to 50% vaccination, and cases + hospitalization were dropping. When the nightlife opened up again we jumped from 500 to 10000 cases within 10 days or so. I'm sure that if you plot a graph with vaccinations and cases you might also think that vaccines directly caused the spike. If anyone is interested, you can see it in a graph here.
Vaccines are available -> Government reduces measures -> Covid numbers go up
We recently had a spike where the government allowed nightlife again because we were getting close to 50% vaccination, and cases + hospitalization were dropping. When the nightlife opened up again we jumped from 500 to 10000 cases within 10 days or so. I'm sure that if you plot a graph with vaccinations and cases you might also think that vaccines directly caused the spike. If anyone is interested, you can see it in a graph here.
Our mask mandate was lifted on May 28th, and immediately people stopped wearing them in public.
Our mask policy was implemented on May 26, 2020. Weird it didn't prevent the spike leading up to the election....
notables:
CDC changed PCR testing methods on Jan 20, 2021 -- the single greatest thing to combat COVID in the U.S. Bravo!
CDC stopped collecting breakthrough cases May 1, 2021.
CDC withdraws emergency use application of PCR tests because they cannot accurately detect the difference between COVID and influenza on July 21, 2021.
CDC suddenly started collecting breakthrough cases again, maybe.
Delta symptoms are identical to the flu -- no loss of taste/smell. weird.
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08-04-2021, 09:59 AM
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No, that's what you're mistakenly saying.
What I'm saying is that if you open up nightlife with young unvaccinated people because the overall statistics look good, it can go to **** quickly. It might also look like there is causation between vaccines and number of cases, but there isn't. (we vaccinate from old to young here, and none of the teenagers and twenty-somethings had the vaccine yet at that point) =
What I'm saying is that if you open up nightlife with young unvaccinated people because the overall statistics look good, it can go to **** quickly. It might also look like there is causation between vaccines and number of cases, but there isn't. (we vaccinate from old to young here, and none of the teenagers and twenty-somethings had the vaccine yet at that point) =
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08-04-2021, 10:01 AM
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All jokes aside, masks are severely overrated and not nearly as effective as a lot of democrat politicians make them out to be - not gonna argue that.
We've got a low number of cases here without anyone wearing a mask. Vaccines are far more effective than masks.
We've got a low number of cases here without anyone wearing a mask. Vaccines are far more effective than masks.
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08-04-2021, 10:36 AM
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What I'm saying is that if you open up nightlife with young unvaccinated people because the overall statistics look good, it can go to **** quickly. It might also look like there is causation between vaccines and number of cases, but there isn't. (we vaccinate from old to young here, and none of the teenagers and twenty-somethings had the vaccine yet at that point) =
TX lifted their mandates on Mar 1, 2021, and have had very low cases of covid until recent. If it really is just the ~50% unvaccinated who are suddenly getting covid in the last few weeks, if you're vaccinated and vaccines work, why do we care? Why is there a sudden scare and looming lockdowns/mandates/passports again?
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08-04-2021, 11:37 AM
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But it didn't go to **** quickly. Nearly every state in the U.S. has the exact same cases curve pattern despite varying mask/quarantine/vaccine policies.
TX lifted their mandates on Mar 1, 2021, and have had very low cases of covid until recent. If it really is just the ~50% unvaccinated who are suddenly getting covid in the last few weeks, if you're vaccinated and vaccines work, why do we care? Why is there a sudden scare and looming lockdowns/mandates/passports again?
TX lifted their mandates on Mar 1, 2021, and have had very low cases of covid until recent. If it really is just the ~50% unvaccinated who are suddenly getting covid in the last few weeks, if you're vaccinated and vaccines work, why do we care? Why is there a sudden scare and looming lockdowns/mandates/passports again?
For both of these, the reality is not as straight forward. Vaccines:
- Protect most people completely
- Protect some people against serious symptoms
- Don't protect some people at all
Does this mean the vaccine doesn't work? Not at all - there's a significant improvement compared to not having a vaccine.
The challenge is that if the virus spreads around enough, there is a significant amount of people in the second and third group that could be at risk, even though they are vaccinated. This is why high vaccination percentages are important, to get the reproduction number below 1. Everyone in the first category (above) helps to reduce that number.
Similarly, you have a very binary view of outcomes of contracting covid: either you live or you die with nothing in between. However:
- Hospitalization is expensive. This might get paid by the person getting sick or by society as a whole (i.e. by the government or insurance).
- Sick people can't work while sick and therefore lower the GDP.
- Even if you don't die, you could have long term effects ("long covid"). Recent study shows significant cognitive deficits in those cases https://www.thelancet.com/journals/e...324-2/fulltext.
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08-04-2021, 11:40 AM
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- Hospitalization is tik toc gold.
- people can't work while quarentined or refuse to when getting paid to be home therefore lower the GDP.
- Even if you don't die, you could die from climate change
- people can't work while quarentined or refuse to when getting paid to be home therefore lower the GDP.
- Even if you don't die, you could die from climate change
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08-04-2021, 11:42 AM
The Covid PCR tests are ****. ANY graph that shows Covid infections based on these PCR tests with 35+ cycles is pure Kabuki theater, and is intended to create fear, not inform.
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08-04-2021, 11:47 AM
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Source for that?
Seems like scientists were very accepting of new information on malaria - source. In 1902 a Nobel prize was awarded for malaria research.
Seems like scientists were very accepting of new information on malaria - source. In 1902 a Nobel prize was awarded for malaria research.
The establishment of the scientific method from about the mid-19th century on demanded testable hypotheses and verifiable phenomena for causation and transmission. Anecdotal reports[Note 2], and the discovery in 1881 that mosquitos were the vector of yellow fever,[73] eventually led to the investigation of mosquitoes in connection with malaria.
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In 1881, Dr. Carlos Finlay, a Cuban-born physician of Scottish ancestry, theorized that yellow fever was transmitted by a specific mosquito, later designated Aedes aegypti.[106] The theory remained controversial for twenty years until confirmed in 1901 by Walter Reed.[107] This was the first scientific proof of a disease being transmitted exclusively by an insect vector, and demonstrated that control of such diseases necessarily entailed control or eradication of its insect vector.
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In 1881, Dr. Carlos Finlay, a Cuban-born physician of Scottish ancestry, theorized that yellow fever was transmitted by a specific mosquito, later designated Aedes aegypti.[106] The theory remained controversial for twenty years until confirmed in 1901 by Walter Reed.[107] This was the first scientific proof of a disease being transmitted exclusively by an insect vector, and demonstrated that control of such diseases necessarily entailed control or eradication of its insect vector.
speaking of malaria, there's a safe, effective medicine that prevents malaria. And Coronaviruses. But that was binarily vilified in the press for political and profit purposes.
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08-04-2021, 12:01 PM
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the 6mo Pfizer study showed the placebo had two COVID related deaths, where the vaccine had one out of a total of (29). the vaccine had greater heart-related deaths (a now known risk).
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08-04-2021, 12:21 PM
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A total of 517,839 clinical influenza tests with 70,218 positive cases were reported between September 29, 2019, and January 4, 2020; 397,934 total tests with 925 positive cases were reported between September 27, 2020, and January 2, 2021. The percentage of weekly positive influenza tests showed a significant decline in the 2020–2021 influenza season compared to the 2019–2020 influenza season (Figures 1 and 2).
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There was a marked decline in influenza cases in the United States last year. The most likely explanation for this decline involves measures taken across the nation to reduce the spread of COVID-19. Wearing masks/respirators can help reduce influenza transmission rates.2 Hand hygiene when combined with the use of facemasks has also shown efficacy against influenza infection.3 Reduction in travel and social events reduces the opportunity for the spread of all contagious diseases, especially those that are droplet or airborne.
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There was a marked decline in influenza cases in the United States last year. The most likely explanation for this decline involves measures taken across the nation to reduce the spread of COVID-19. Wearing masks/respirators can help reduce influenza transmission rates.2 Hand hygiene when combined with the use of facemasks has also shown efficacy against influenza infection.3 Reduction in travel and social events reduces the opportunity for the spread of all contagious diseases, especially those that are droplet or airborne.
maybe, just maybe, people with the flu were diagnosed as having covid?
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