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Joe Perez 01-20-2021 04:07 PM


Originally Posted by Diamond Dave (Post 1591220)
If we're supposed to "TRUST SCIENCE!!!", then how can they possibly say that a person with Transgender dysmorphia, a thing that ONLY exists in THEIR head, is anything more than a mental disorder?!

Social conditioning.

As an example, consider two ostensibly reliable and objective sources of information, WebMD, and the Mayo Clinic.

Mayo has this to say on the subject:

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Gender dysphoria is a diagnosis listed in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-5), a manual published by the American Psychiatric Association to diagnose mental conditions. This term is intended to be more descriptive than the one that was previously used, gender identity disorder.
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By contrast, WebMD (which is owned by Internet Brands, the same company which enjoys breaking the code which runs MiataTurbo in their spare time), states:

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Gender dysphoria used to be called “gender identity disorder.” But the mismatch between body and internal sense of gender is not a mental illness. Instead, what need to be addressed are the stress, anxiety, and depression that go along with it.
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By altering the meaning of words and phrases, the though process itself can be shaped to match a desired ideal. In the past, that ideal was to single out specific racial groups as "evil" or "sub-human," to justify their enslavement or extermination. Today, the ideal is to make everyone feel happy and comfortable about themselves, without regard for whether this leads to harm to themselves or to society as a whole.



Bajingo 01-20-2021 04:19 PM


Originally Posted by Joe Perez (Post 1591224)
Today, the ideal is to make everyone feel happy and comfortable about themselves, without regard for whether this leads to harm to themselves or to society as a whole.

The best/worst example of this is the HAES morons, in a country that screams about health care all the time you'd expect that stupidity to be squashed like a bug.

BGordon 01-20-2021 04:43 PM

Don't forget that more older US citizens consider themselves Republicans as opposed to more younger citizens who consider themselves Democrats.
In other words, Republicans are dying off at a higher rate due to being older, so that also comes into play.
Another 20-30 years and Republicans might be only 10% of the voting age population.
Gonna have to start up a new party once that happens and the current Democrats have aged to the point they are the old people.



Originally Posted by Joe Perez (Post 1591223)
So, a few important points:

1: I am not denying that fraud occurred. In fact, I don't know of anyone who is denying that, with the exception of 99% of Democrats, the vast majority of the media, and pretty much everyone else who dislikes scary orange man.

2: Both Pew and Gallup say that the percentage of Americans who identify as Republican (both as a share of the population as a whole, as well as a share of registered voters) has been in decline for the past 15 years or so, with that trend accelerating early on in Trump's term. Sources for data:

https://news.gallup.com/poll/315734/...democrats.aspx
https://www.pewresearch.org/politics...raphic-groups/

3: Many people would tend to describe the remaining minority of the US population who identify as Republican (a particularly those who specifically support / approve-of former President Trump) as a "fringe group." I'm not being sarcastic about that, it's the truth. The Republican party has done a lot of damage to itself over the past few decades.


dieselmiata 01-20-2021 05:34 PM

[QUOTE=Diamond Dave;1591220 blah blah blah. .[/QUOTE]

You stated specifically: At no time EVER has anyone said that Minimum wage must be a "living wage"

I proved that it is the explicit reason a minimum wage was established.


It's not that I'm terrified of people who think differently than me. I'm scared of people who can't differentiate fact from fiction. And your statement quoted above, is pure fantasy.



dieselmiata 01-20-2021 05:37 PM


Originally Posted by Joe Perez (Post 1591223)
So, a few important points:

1: I am not denying that fraud occurred. In fact, I don't know of anyone who is denying that, with the exception of 99% of Democrats, the vast majority of the media, and pretty much everyone else who dislikes scary orange man.

If that's the case, where's the proof? Why were Trump's army of lawyers unable to provide ANY evidence of this fraud? It wasn't Democrat/Liberal judges throwing the cases out, it was Trump's own appointed judges. How does that make any sense if the fraud is so widespread and rampant?

Joe Perez 01-20-2021 05:41 PM


Originally Posted by dieselmiata (Post 1591230)
If that's the case, where's the proof? Why were Trump's army of lawyers unable to provide ANY evidence of this fraud? It wasn't Democrat/Liberal judges throwing the cases out, it was Trump's own appointed judges. How does that make any sense if the fraud is so widespread and rampant?

Proof of what, fraud?

That first point was intended to be interpreted somewhat like a double-negative. That's why I wrote "... with the exception of 99% of Democrats, the vast majority of the media, and pretty much everyone else who dislikes scary orange man ..."

The idea it was meant to convey was that, because a majority of Americans appear to dislike Orange Man (which I cited sources for a few posts ago), only a minority of Americans, specifically a portion of those who like Orange Man, vehemently believe that rampant and coordinated fraud took place, despite the absence of evidence to support this conclusion. Braineack is a member of that minority, and believes that the absence of strong evidence is actually proof of just how deep and widespread the conspiracy is.

Personally, I have no strong reason to care whether fraud did or did not occur. It's as irrelevant to the actual outcome as the will of the people is irrelevant to the functioning of their government.

dieselmiata 01-20-2021 05:48 PM

Gotcha, I misunderstood what you were getting at.

wherestheboost 01-20-2021 06:19 PM


Originally Posted by Joe Perez (Post 1591231)
Proof of what, fraud?

That first point was intended to be interpreted somewhat like a double-negative. That's why I wrote "... with the exception of 99% of Democrats, the vast majority of the media, and pretty much everyone else who dislikes scary orange man ..."

The idea it was meant to convey was that, because a majority of Americans appear to dislike Orange Man (which I cited sources for a few posts ago), only a minority of Americans, specifically a portion of those who like Orange Man, vehemently believe that rampant and coordinated fraud took place, despite the absence of evidence to support this conclusion. Braineack is a member of that minority, and believes that the absence of strong evidence is actually proof of just how deep and widespread the conspiracy is.

Personally, I have no strong reason to care whether fraud did or did not occur. It's as irrelevant to the actual outcome as the will of the people is irrelevant to the functioning of their government.

No disagreement to the part where you said only a minority of Americans like Orange man - if we're to assume, that the election numbers are gospel - the least we could do is acknowledge that minority still meant 74M votes for Orange man vs 80M for boss-man.

As far as fraud is concerned, I still just feel "odd" that ...
  • Biden winning a little over half of the counties that Obama won in 2012 - which amounts to Orange man winning ~80% of the total counties this time around.
  • With having ~half the counties that Obama won, managed to bring out an additional 10M votes?
  • The argument is that all the votes came from small counties that were more urban (heavily populated) - but the counties with record turnout (close if not over 100%) were in the swing states that stopped counting on election night for reasons x,y,z - coincidentally all running Domin wares.
  • And if that was the case... shouldn't there have been record turnout in ALL (if not, many many more) urban counties?
  • Taking 5 hours to count 99% of the vote and then taking 5 days to count the last 1% - and for that one state that did a recount, they counted ALL the votes in a day?
  • A huge swing to red congressional seats (meaning... people did NOT want Orange man, but they still REALLY loved the idea of getting a new Red seat?)
Just a few things that rub the odd way. Not much to do about it now. Just find it additionally odd that Russians swayed the election via ~$100k in ads in 2016, but there's no way there was interference (at least enough to sway the election) in 2020. Either way. Gotta swallow some of my words. "Our system isn't perfect... but it prevents someone really good from doing really good things - at the expense of preventing someone really bad from doing really bad things." Maybe I'll be proved wrong :giggle:.

Joe Perez 01-20-2021 07:03 PM


Originally Posted by wherestheboost (Post 1591235)
  • A huge swing to red congressional seats (meaning... people did NOT want Orange man, but they still REALLY loved the idea of getting a new Red seat?)

Huh?

The GOP lost three positions in the Senate (3% of total Senate seats), and gained eleven positions in the house (2.5% of total House seats), for a net loss of 0.5% of overall representation in Congress.


hector 01-21-2021 06:49 AM

So when will "racism" be considered a mental illness by the quacks in power? I mean, everything seems to be a mental illness these days and not your fault.

BTW, asking for a friend. I'm a minority and therefore can't be racist.

chiefmg 01-21-2021 08:12 AM

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Braineack 01-21-2021 08:23 AM


Originally Posted by afm (Post 1591222)
The bigger discrepancy is that those fractions actually represent 0.76% and 1.2%, respectively.

I said math is hard, didnt i?!


Today CNN used the term Bipartisan curious.

Joe Perez 01-21-2021 09:52 AM


Originally Posted by hector (Post 1591267)
So when will "racism" be considered a mental illness by the quacks in power?

Depending on your definition of "quacks in power," 2012. That's when Oxford University's Department of Psychiatry added "Pathological Bias" to the Oxford Handbook of Personality Disorders.

The debate has been raging (with people taking surprising viewpoints), for some time. Examples:

How racism came to be called a mental illness — and why that’s a problem (from 2016)

Are racists mentally ill? (from 2014)

One challenge to the argument comes from the liberal side. The same folks who decided that gender dysphoria isn't a mental illness (because it's perfectly natural, and not deviant at all) object to racism being a mental illness, rather curiously, because it is not "perfectly natural." Instead, they argue that racism is a learned behavior, whereas things like bipolar disorder are not.

Now, I'd argue that depression and PTSD have become learned behaviors based on, well, observing society for the past few decades. It's presently fashionable to have disabilities / disadvantages to trot out as part of your bio & group-identity, and mental illnesses are easy to conjure up. In other words, it's rather easy to make yourself depresses and traumatized by adjusting your world-view to make the normal behavior of others seem aggressive and violent.

But that's obviously a perspective which the liberal quacks would disagree with.

Braineack 01-21-2021 10:38 AM


Originally Posted by Joe Perez (Post 1591136)

So, we have a large group of people who:

A: Describe themselves as "militia," who
B: Broke into the Capitol build,
C: While armed, and
D: Subsequently occupied and looted it.

Which part of that do you question?

And these people are?


Stock 01-21-2021 11:32 AM

QAnon crazies, CNN said so and the news is never wrong. Just ask Nick Sandman.

Joe Perez 01-21-2021 11:37 AM


Originally Posted by Joe Perez (Post 1549222)

Originally Posted by Braineack (Post 1549210)
Lol at thinking Trump will lose 2020.

It's beginning to seem likely. Setting a reminder to re-visit this post in Nov 2020.

I did re-visit this back in November, but decided to change the date on my reminder again, given the uncertainty which has surrounded the past few months.

Today seems like an appropriate time to re-visit that post.

This was a very close race. Much as it was in 2016. And while my gut feeling back in 2019 when that was written was that Trump was going to suffer for his words which are not ideologically acceptable in this new era, I'd have called it a folly to completely dismiss any potential outcome at that time. Or in November of last year. Or at any point between then and now.

But, at this point, it seems reasonable to accept the fact that Trump is no longer the President, because he lost the election in 2020.


Braineack 01-21-2021 12:03 PM

Biden was sworn in as the new President, yes.

The slogan every vote counts means two vastly different things if you ask the right person.

Braineack 01-21-2021 01:07 PM

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Braineack 01-21-2021 01:09 PM





I'm so relieved that we're shutting down a clean pipeline so we can buy oil from the non-regulated Middle East and have it transported by thousands of huge, gas guzzling tankers who dump their oily bilge in the ocean. sCieNCe !!!

Braineack 01-21-2021 05:18 PM

So many eos. So little time.


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