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DNMakinson 01-20-2021 08:45 AM


Originally Posted by Braineack (Post 1591173)
X x .585 % wage/salary workers = 81,900,000 wage/salary workers
81,900,000 / .585 = 140,000,000 full time
140,000,000 + 81,900,000 = ~221,900,000 total work force
1,700,000 workers at or below the federal minimum / 221,900,000 twf = 0.0076% of the total working population.
Min wage employees are statistically insignificant.

It is good that minimum wage employees are statistically insignificant. That means the market is prevailing over the law. However, if the minimum wage is raised sufficiently (I'm not sure what that is, but I suspect 2X will do it) then it is no longer statistically insignificant and the law has now an effect on the economy, rather than the market.

The market should drive the economy, not the law.
DNM

Braineack 01-20-2021 09:31 AM

yes. But tell a democrat you're against min. wage laws and they'll think you just murdered a baby "sieged" the capital.


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chiefmg 01-20-2021 09:48 AM

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z31maniac 01-20-2021 10:00 AM


Originally Posted by Braineack (Post 1591173)
None of this even matters. Here's what matters:



X x .585 % wage/salary workers = 81,900,000 wage/salary workers
81,900,000 / .585 = 140,000,000 full time
140,000,000 + 81,900,000 = ~221,900,000 total work force
1,700,000 workers at or below the federal minimum / 221,900,000 twf = 0.0076% of the total working population.

Min wage employees are statistically insignificant.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...rce-in-the-us/

Braineack 01-20-2021 10:19 AM


Originally Posted by z31maniac (Post 1591182)

what's your point here? I linked BLS as the source. https://www.bls.gov/opub/reports/min.../2018/home.htm

Joe Perez 01-20-2021 12:31 PM

Watching the inauguration. (Well, listening to it, as PGM audio is in the headset loop.)

That was, in all sincerity, one of the best denouncements since the end of the Stalin era.

Braineack 01-20-2021 12:41 PM


Originally Posted by Joe Perez (Post 1591198)
That was, in all sincerity, one of the best denouncements since the end of the Stalin era.

https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net...98&oe=602D20BA

Joe Perez 01-20-2021 12:45 PM


Originally Posted by Braineack (Post 1591199)
(goatfuck)

Well, yes.

It is the nature of politics that failure is due to the lingering effects of the previous regime, whereas success is attributable to the clear vision of the new regime.

This has always been true, and not merely in the US. It is a global truth.

Bajingo 01-20-2021 12:46 PM

His calls for unity wring hollow when his party has been worse than any

Joe Perez 01-20-2021 12:58 PM


Originally Posted by Bajingo (Post 1591202)
His calls for unity wring hollow when his party has been worse than any

Don't be so pessimistic. It's entirely for us to be united in blaming all of our perceived problems on whiteness and an excess of liberty.

Bajingo 01-20-2021 01:15 PM

Won't that be fun

z31maniac 01-20-2021 02:26 PM


Originally Posted by Braineack (Post 1591186)
what's your point here? I linked BLS as the source. https://www.bls.gov/opub/reports/min.../2018/home.htm

That while min wage are essentially statistically insignificant, it's nowhere close to 221 million in the workforce.

I mean, you're only off by 61 million people.

Bajingo 01-20-2021 02:39 PM

#not my president #resist

Joe Perez 01-20-2021 03:10 PM

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Braineack 01-20-2021 03:18 PM


Originally Posted by Joe Perez (Post 1591216)

NEW AND IMPROVED FORMULA: ACTUAL PROOF INCLUDED!


you realize, it's not some fringe group that believes this fact right?

https://www.newsweek.com/republicans...y-poll-1562343


A CNN poll, released on Sunday and conducted by SSRS between January 9 and 14, shows that 75 percent of Republicans do not think that Biden won the election legitimately, compared to 1 percent of Democrats and 36 percent of independents.
I don't believe 75% of republicans have ever agreed on something before.

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Braineack 01-20-2021 03:25 PM


Originally Posted by z31maniac (Post 1591211)
That while min wage are essentially statistically insignificant, it's nowhere close to 221 million in the workforce.

I mean, you're only off by 61 million people.

math is hard bro.

im going by the text: In 2018, 81.9 million workers age 16 and older in the United States were paid at hourly rates, representing 58.5 percent of all wage and salary workers

what i did wrong was add them back into 140,000,000.

so therefore:

1,700,000 workers at or below the federal minimum / 140,000,000 twf = 0.012% of the total working population.

Braineack 01-20-2021 03:29 PM

How is this industry going to survive?

Facebook Post

oh fuck off FB. https://www.facebook.com/proventrue/videos/165311041708714

*not pictured, the little girls he was trying to embrace.

Diamond Dave 01-20-2021 03:40 PM


Originally Posted by dieselmiata (Post 1591137)

It's terrifying that you claim this with such passion and conviction, when it's clear you have never read the Fair Labor Standards act of 1938 and could not possibly be more wrong if you tried. Roosevelt said, “In my Inaugural I laid down the simple proposition that nobody is going to starve in this country. It seems to me to be equally plain that no business which depends for existence on paying less than living wages to its workers has any right to continue in this country.

It's concerning that you are "terrified" of thought that differs from your own. Or maybe more likely, you are terrified because you are the center of your own universe and have therefore adopted all of the "correct" positions?

I'm sorry you think the FLS means "living wage". Look at any of the metrics you'd need to understand in order to create a living wage in each city of every state and then you'll realize your position isn't supported. Does an 18yr old High School Senior have the same "living wage" as a 38yr old adult providing for a stay at home mom and 2 young children?

Lastly, your reference to the woke "inclusive" Miata forum is just shameful. You don't mean inclusive, you mean single thought. Big difference. Do you own a business or have you ever been in charge of the P&L for a division where labor was involved? It sounds like you have zero idea of what running a business entails.



[QUOTE=poormxdad;1591149
What is really terrifying is seeing the grins in dimwitted people's brains when I suggest making the minimum wage $100 per hour. It wouldn't change their lives one bit, but they'd be paying more in taxes.[/QUOTE]

Bingo. An uncomfortable truth. Biden's ludicrous claim of "this $15/hr wage will lift people out of poverty" is stupefying. Wages don't "lift you out of poverty", but a pattern of wise decisions with hard work will. That's why the concept of "middle class" is a politician's lie - the definition isn't earnings, it's debt.




Originally Posted by Bajingo (Post 1591148)
Being trans is a mental health issue not saying she isn't capable but we can definitely question her on that alone. Or if it's a "preference" and not a medical disorder we can question and mock because a preference is a choice and not a inherent quality.

Are more people too dim to understand this? If we're supposed to "TRUST SCIENCE!!!", then how can they possibly say that a person with Transgender dysmorphia, a thing that ONLY exists in THEIR head, is anything more than a mental disorder?!




I'm not hopeful in waiting for people to wake up and use rational logic with their brains to realize the charade that just occurred with the fake election.
They believe Biden got more overall votes than any candidate in history? Yet his rallies were either non-existent or a dozen people showed up (I'm happy to refer to this as 500ppl if it makes anyone feel better) and no one watches his live feeds. Meanwhile Trump is doing multiple rallies each day with 10K to 30K people, there are vehicle parades, and his social media engagement is massive.

They're eager to rejoin the terrible Paris Climate accord. Climate change is so bad that the USA needs to be restricted and fined, while the world's WORST polluters (China, India, and Russia) get to continue building the dirtiest coal fired power plants through 2030?! If Climate Change is man made and taxing the USA is helpful, why aren't all countries cutting production?

Path to citizenship for 11M illegal aliens. I think this number is closer to 30M, but whatever. How does it benefit the USA to bring in the absolute poorest, lowest educated, lowest skilled workers and sign them up onto our welfare programs? Studies show that immigrants from Mexico, Guatamala, Honduras, etc. consume social benefits more than the lowest skilled US workers and immigrants stay on social service programs for longer and they only increase the size of our poverty segment.

afm 01-20-2021 03:56 PM


Originally Posted by Braineack (Post 1591173)
1,700,000 workers at or below the federal minimum / 221,900,000 twf = 0.0076% of the total working population.


Originally Posted by Braineack (Post 1591218)
what i did wrong was add them back into 140,000,000.

so therefore:

1,700,000 workers at or below the federal minimum / 140,000,000 twf = 0.012% of the total working population.

The bigger discrepancy is that those fractions actually represent 0.76% and 1.2%, respectively.

Joe Perez 01-20-2021 04:00 PM


Originally Posted by Braineack (Post 1591217)
you realize, it's not some fringe group that believes this fact right?

https://www.newsweek.com/republicans...y-poll-1562343

So, a few important points:

1: I am not denying that fraud occurred. In fact, I don't know of anyone who is denying that, with the exception of 99% of Democrats, the vast majority of the media, and pretty much everyone else who dislikes scary orange man.

2: Both Pew and Gallup say that the percentage of Americans who identify as Republican (both as a share of the population as a whole, as well as a share of registered voters) has been in decline for the past 15 years or so, with that trend accelerating early on in Trump's term. Sources for data:

https://news.gallup.com/poll/315734/...democrats.aspx
https://www.pewresearch.org/politics...raphic-groups/

3: Many people would tend to describe the remaining minority of the US population who identify as Republican (a particularly those who specifically support / approve-of former President Trump) as a "fringe group." I'm not being sarcastic about that, it's the truth. The Republican party has done a lot of damage to itself over the past few decades.


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