3 dogs murdered...
#41
Were the dogs being aggressive, barking, growling. If that's the case then obviously something needs to be done. The guy only lived two doors down, it would be really hard to convince me that he didn't know who the dogs belonged to. If my neighbor that lived two doors down had a pack of dogs, I'd know it and I'd make it my business to know if they are aggressive dogs.
I work from home. Ive seen my neighbors dogs. I have no idea if they will bite me but what I know is they bit the maybe 14 year old paper boy.
Its not anyone's responsibility to know if their neighbors dog 1 door down or 5 doors down is aggressive or not. The responsibility lay solely on the animal owner to care and control for it.
So yea. I have no idea of the history my neighbors dogs and if I asked me he would likely tell me its confidential and if I have a problem call the cops or something along those lines.
But, my final comment on your statement is how many times have children been maimed, bit , harmed by dogs that are so nice and great around children.
http://www.wpbf.com/news/22624629/detail.html
They are animals and are unpredictable. They should be leashed and muzzled (controlled).
#42
Were the dogs being aggressive, barking, growling. If that's the case then obviously something needs to be done. The guy only lived two doors down, it would be really hard to convince me that he didn't know who the dogs belonged to. If my neighbor that lived two doors down had a pack of dogs, I'd know it and I'd make it my business to know if they are aggressive dogs.
1 pitbull and 1 ugly *** mix that I don't even know what it is.
They are CONSTANTLY barking, howling, and squealing.
And I'm not talking about during the day. I'm talking about 4-5am at night. Barking for no reason. All the time.
The owner is a ******* dipshit redneck son of a bitch. Completely oblivious to any of it.
I have went outside during the night and screamed at them to shut up. I have gone over to this ******** house like 4 times now and politely asked him to do something about the dogs keeping me and the rest of the street up all night every night.
Others have done the same.
He completely does not give a ****. Doesn't take care of his dogs. Doesn't make any effort to do anything.
Lately they have been getting out and wandering the street.
Its happened 3 times now.
Next time I see em I'm calling the cops. If I'm outside and one of them runs at me you better believe I will defend myself and most likely kill em.
Its not the dogs fault, I know this, but I'm not taking chances and the owner is a ******* douchebag.
Bottom line for me: if your dogs get out more than once and after the 2nd time they get shot its your own damn fault. Don't ******* cry about it.
#43
Just don't say it only happened because they we're pit bulls.
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#44
Hi 911
Yea, my 2 year old sons head is in a pitbulls mouth, oh wait, there are 2 more biting his arms rag dolling him.
Whats that? Nope, I have not done anything as Abilene Police Lt. Joe Tauer has made it clear I should call you.
yes, i understand police will be here shortly and are en-route.
EMT, yea, send them too because i dont think my son isnt breathing anymore.
oh wait, dont bother, hes bleeding profusely from the neck, looks fatal.
Thanks again!
lol
edit... for me it would be more like this
911, hi. i just kicked the **** out of my neighbors dog after coming at my son.
yes, it did bite me a couple times but i think i killed it. i dont feel anything because i am enraged.
send police because i am so ****** pissed I am going down to the neighbors now and beat the **** out of him.
send emt
**see you 2 hours later**
As I said all along, owners responsibility.
#45
There are 2 sides to this story and I can understand both.
I have a beautiful german shepherd that I absolutley love to death, but my biggest peeve is when dogs are not disciplined or trained or looked after.
1 side - as Brain said, if a dog is attacking you how the hell will you have time to run inside, grab a gun, and come back out? Pretty fucked up what the guy did. If the gun was ON him and he was running towards the house when he got attacked I'd understand. if he got bit, or his kids got bit, I'd say absolutely: shoot the *******. But it doesn't look that any of that happened.
2nd side - why the hell were the dogs out? if your dogs get out, even once, you need to immediately figure out why/how and MAKE SURE it never happens again.
if it does and they get shot, ITS YOUR OWN DAMN FAULT. Deal with it.
I have a beautiful german shepherd that I absolutley love to death, but my biggest peeve is when dogs are not disciplined or trained or looked after.
1 side - as Brain said, if a dog is attacking you how the hell will you have time to run inside, grab a gun, and come back out? Pretty fucked up what the guy did. If the gun was ON him and he was running towards the house when he got attacked I'd understand. if he got bit, or his kids got bit, I'd say absolutely: shoot the *******. But it doesn't look that any of that happened.
2nd side - why the hell were the dogs out? if your dogs get out, even once, you need to immediately figure out why/how and MAKE SURE it never happens again.
if it does and they get shot, ITS YOUR OWN DAMN FAULT. Deal with it.
#46
I disagree.
I work from home. Ive seen my neighbors dogs. I have no idea if they will bite me but what I know is they bit the maybe 14 year old paper boy.
Its not anyone's responsibility to know if their neighbors dog 1 door down or 5 doors down is aggressive or not. The responsibility lay solely on the animal owner to care and control for it.
So yea. I have no idea of the history my neighbors dogs and if I asked me he would likely tell me its confidential and if I have a problem call the cops or something along those lines.
But, my final comment on your statement is how many times have children been maimed, bit , harmed by dogs that are so nice and great around children.
http://www.wpbf.com/news/22624629/detail.html
They are animals and are unpredictable. They should be leashed and muzzled (controlled).
I work from home. Ive seen my neighbors dogs. I have no idea if they will bite me but what I know is they bit the maybe 14 year old paper boy.
Its not anyone's responsibility to know if their neighbors dog 1 door down or 5 doors down is aggressive or not. The responsibility lay solely on the animal owner to care and control for it.
So yea. I have no idea of the history my neighbors dogs and if I asked me he would likely tell me its confidential and if I have a problem call the cops or something along those lines.
But, my final comment on your statement is how many times have children been maimed, bit , harmed by dogs that are so nice and great around children.
http://www.wpbf.com/news/22624629/detail.html
They are animals and are unpredictable. They should be leashed and muzzled (controlled).
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#47
Hi 911
Yea, my 2 year old sons head is in a pitbulls mouth, oh wait, there are 2 more biting his arms rag dolling him.
Whats that? Nope, I have not done anything as Abilene Police Lt. Joe Tauer has made it clear I should call you.
yes, i understand police will be here shortly and are en-route.
EMT, yea, send them too because i dont think my son isnt breathing anymore.
oh wait, dont bother, hes bleeding profusely from the neck, looks fatal.
Thanks again!
lol
As I said all along, owners responsibility.
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#48
Let's drop the whole "being aggressive" qualifier.
Dogs DO in fact, "snap". It's not a feature of any particular breed (though a breed may be more prone to it than others), it's a result of poor training and the general inability of people to read dogs accurately. People think they know a lot more about dog behavior and signals than they really do, and frequently will not pick up on "aggressive" or "uncomfortable" signals from a dog until it lunges at them or at another person.
Dogs DO in fact, "snap". It's not a feature of any particular breed (though a breed may be more prone to it than others), it's a result of poor training and the general inability of people to read dogs accurately. People think they know a lot more about dog behavior and signals than they really do, and frequently will not pick up on "aggressive" or "uncomfortable" signals from a dog until it lunges at them or at another person.
#49
Call animal control
Call 911
*or threaten neighbor, far more self gratifying, trust me. lol
You would make a levnubhin executive decision on the matter and do what you feel is right.
If the dog came at you and bit you, or a family member, perhaps cornered your decision would be to put it down with an uzi, i dont know. But if it did happen that way I would support you.
What I think I know or believe in this instance is that the person who killed the dogs felt his family or neighbors were in danger and he did what he felt was right.
From the story and a quote:
Murphy said he was protecting himself.
“I understand if this guy was scared, but he handled it the wrong way," Fain said.
“I understand if this guy was scared, but he handled it the wrong way," Fain said.
I wouldn't be surprised if he gets off for shooting them.
#51
You're missing the story, those dogs weren't even on his property when he shot them. Maybe they were at one point but obviously they didn't do anything to his kids. He should have called someone. Now yea, if he came out and they were in his yard being aggressive then do what you gotta do.
I am not familiar with the ROE there and your laws differ from ours in Canada, greatly. In Canada we round up our family, lock the doors, play dead while calling 911. Thats it.
#54
Our laws here are pathetic when it comes to self preservation and protection.
So fail.
I do love animals. I am more frustrated as of late that my Oriental short hair meows because he wants attention or into my sons room.
My heart would be broken if my pets were ever gunned down. My heart breaks when I have to put them down.
I just would like to believe that if there was negligence, an error in judgment or an accident and they got out, regardless of how I feel about my pets there is an element of me that would believe the victim. The dogs are perhaps in an environment they dont know, there are strangers and I wasn't there.
Yes, it would suck but again, I would like to think I would understand the victims stance.
So fail.
I do love animals. I am more frustrated as of late that my Oriental short hair meows because he wants attention or into my sons room.
My heart would be broken if my pets were ever gunned down. My heart breaks when I have to put them down.
I just would like to believe that if there was negligence, an error in judgment or an accident and they got out, regardless of how I feel about my pets there is an element of me that would believe the victim. The dogs are perhaps in an environment they dont know, there are strangers and I wasn't there.
Yes, it would suck but again, I would like to think I would understand the victims stance.
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Let me be clear here... YES - No Human life is worth less than that of a dog.
But let me also be clear that the "child" left on his own to roam the neighborhood; was safely inside before the guy went after the dogs to shoot them. Hell, his wife had to wake him up off the couch. The police found no evidence of any injuries. Period.
So everyone saying "the breed" would feel differently; if say, the dogs were Poodles instead?
Would you feel differently to hear the body hanging from the tree was a white guy?
Would you feel differently to find that the drug dealer was your Preacher?
It doesn't matter if you are stabbed with a pocket knife or hunting knife. Still will hurt like ****.
The owner of the American Staffordshire Terriers is the girlfriend of my cousin. She is a Veternarian and the dogs are AKC registered. I had to go through a background check before my purchase. I also was required to register my dog. She raises and sells these dogs and has been for quite some time. Until proven other wise, this is not a crime.
But let me also be clear that the "child" left on his own to roam the neighborhood; was safely inside before the guy went after the dogs to shoot them. Hell, his wife had to wake him up off the couch. The police found no evidence of any injuries. Period.
So everyone saying "the breed" would feel differently; if say, the dogs were Poodles instead?
Would you feel differently to hear the body hanging from the tree was a white guy?
Would you feel differently to find that the drug dealer was your Preacher?
It doesn't matter if you are stabbed with a pocket knife or hunting knife. Still will hurt like ****.
The owner of the American Staffordshire Terriers is the girlfriend of my cousin. She is a Veternarian and the dogs are AKC registered. I had to go through a background check before my purchase. I also was required to register my dog. She raises and sells these dogs and has been for quite some time. Until proven other wise, this is not a crime.
#56
Sounds like that's not right if the news story is accurate:
And if that's fact, there are other charges that could be added onto the charges he's already facing.
The guy that did the shooting is not the victim.
Fain's neighbor, Jason Murphy, allegedly shot and killed the three pit bulls just outside of Fain's house Wednesday afternoon.
Originally Posted by Rick
and as far as the victim is concerned, are aggressive in nature after approaching his wife and children
Originally Posted by Rick
Yes, it would suck but again, I would like to think I would understand the victims stance.
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We could also post a question out there for some of you folk.
There is a list compiled of the Top 10 most dangerous dogs. Out of the 5 links I've read, they are all the same; so I think this was a statistical basing. Good - that keeps it fair for this posting.
Do any of you own any of these types of dogs?
http://www.dirjournal.com/info/most-...-in-the-world/
And another question. Were you surprised to see your dog on the list?
There is a list compiled of the Top 10 most dangerous dogs. Out of the 5 links I've read, they are all the same; so I think this was a statistical basing. Good - that keeps it fair for this posting.
Do any of you own any of these types of dogs?
http://www.dirjournal.com/info/most-...-in-the-world/
And another question. Were you surprised to see your dog on the list?
#60
Here you go. http://bigcountryhomepage.com/fulltext?nxd_id=326767
The main point to remember is the children were already safe inside before Murphy came out.
The main point to remember is the children were already safe inside before Murphy came out.
An AK? WTF? An assault riffle to kill a few dogs? Typical AK owner