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Directional rotors wont help with pad/rotor life on the street. only when they are hot. Also not really any more stopping power either. Unless you are getting brake fade.
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I said longer pad life due to less heat, which imples that it will only improve pad life on track. I definitely never told you it increases stopping power, because the only thing that does that is better tires
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You said they will perform better. In my mind that meant help stop the car.
I figured the rotors would generate heat under street driving as well so I thought they would help pad life on the street. I didn't realize it only applied to track driving. My bad....im dumb. hehe![Giggle](https://www.miataturbo.net/images/smilies/gay.gif)
I figured the rotors would generate heat under street driving as well so I thought they would help pad life on the street. I didn't realize it only applied to track driving. My bad....im dumb. hehe
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In general, larger brakes won't stop the car faster. Improving brake bias will, so the prop valve will shave a small amount off the braking zones. Making the pedal firmer and easier to modulate will also reduce braking zones, but only because they help you as a driver get the most out of the new brakes. The stopping distance is dictated entirely by the contact patch of the tires (and, by association, how effectively you can use that contact patch).
The pads will sit below their temperature range for most of the driving you (should) do on the street. The G-LOC R-series pads are unique in that they won't tear up the rotors when they're below their temperature range like this. The directional rotors will shine on track by letting everything run cooler (pads and rotors).
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This is just a theory, its not meant as an insult or a criticism at all so bear with me: I think its something about the way you drive, you and Aidan both seem to have this problem and you both have ABS. After (trying to) follow Aidan around and looking at the data plots you guys have posted and comparing it to my own, I'm starting to think its because you guys fly into corners, hammer the brakes, and let the ABS prevent wheel lockup, and then power through the corner. Or at least, you have the confidence to do this because you know the ABS is there to watch your back. Where as I, because I am a weenie, brake earlier and try to prevent lockup manually because I don't have the ABS to lean on and tires are expensive. I'm much, much slower than you guys because I spend more time braking, where you guys spend much less time worrying about the brakes.
I'm not saying "You are doing it wrong!" because you are obviously faster than me, its just a theory
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I rarely engage ABS. Maybe once or twice a track day. Its just good to have in case I panic brake, or hit a slick spot.
My rotors are doing just fine. Its my pads that aren't lasting as long as I want them to. PIR is also incredibly hard on brakes, its essentially 2 drag strips to 115-125mph, then brake to either 60 or 80. ORP I get much better pad wear.
My rotors are doing just fine. Its my pads that aren't lasting as long as I want them to. PIR is also incredibly hard on brakes, its essentially 2 drag strips to 115-125mph, then brake to either 60 or 80. ORP I get much better pad wear.
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ABS = death to brakes. I disable mine at some tracks because certain bumpy transitions can fool the system into going active when it's not necessary (entry to Carousel at Sonoma, infield at SMMR).
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I think the reason why I melt brakes (well, more than other people with similar power) is that I'm braking too much for corners, entering at too slow a speed, and then accelerating through.
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