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Savington 10-09-2016 01:27 PM

BKR8 crew, did you notice increased detonation resistance going from 6 to 7 to 8, or are you just going as cold as possible without seeing them foul? Stock is 5 on the 1.8L, going 3 ranges colder still seems really extreme.

Reverant 10-09-2016 01:43 PM

How much timing are you running at ~220kPa and what gas? I didn't have a chance to tune timing with the 6 range plugs, as they would just misfire above 180-190kPa.

Savington 10-09-2016 02:45 PM

CA91, ~10deg advance at 220kpa.

Reverant 10-09-2016 03:24 PM

100RON, running 19* at 220kPa/7000rpm.

Chooofoojoo 10-09-2016 03:29 PM

Co 91, 10.5:1 static, 15* timing at 7000rpm 220kpa. My 240kpa row drops timing to 12*.

sonofthehill 10-10-2016 11:01 AM

CA 91 15* 228kpa 7000rpm
So to be clear, I use bkr7e and not the -11. As far as I can tell the only difference is the gap.
-11's are gapped much larger at .043, while the plain ones without -11 are gapped much smaller at .031.
It makes sense that coils will have a harder time, jumping a bigger gap, under denser conditions.
I bet all you need to do is gap those bkr6e-11's a bit smaller, to say .031-.035.
I didn't notice knock resistance, but I swapped these plugs in when I installed my turbo.

Clearly the d585 coils are capable of jumping a larger gap under more dense conditions.

turbofan 10-10-2016 01:14 PM

I always re-gap any plugs that go in my car. Can't really compare apples to apples if you're running different gaps on the different plugs.

Leafy 10-10-2016 11:30 PM

Its not the 8 its the IX. I can also confirm, copper 7s would every so slightly hesitate at 12ish psi, iridium 7s wouldnt.

sonofthehill 10-12-2016 05:42 PM

So re-gap 'em to .031 like the eix's & non-11's.
If you still have a problem try the 6eix's.

Savington 10-12-2016 09:35 PM

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I don't want to gap the plugs down since it hurts idle quality. I'll do a set of 7EIX and pick up a set of 8s to try once I get a chance to get a full-wood tune on the car.

Another piece of the puzzle I forgot about - bought this a while ago and just got it installed. I had ~11psi on the medium can and ~18psi on EBC, but it's only rated to 19 and I was starting to see boost fall off up top as a result. With the Turbosmart dual-port, 14psi springs inside will hopefully let me reach into the mid 20s on EBC without much trouble.

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aidandj 10-12-2016 09:50 PM

Dual port and 4 port solenoid should get you wayyy into the 20s. They say 4+ times the spring.

My goal is 5 psi spring (maybe 3?) And then crank it to 20+ with the 4 port.

codrus 10-12-2016 10:01 PM

FWIW, mine was happy doing 3x the spring, but 3.5x got a bit iffy. That was with a dual-port EWG with the 4-port solenoid.

--Ian

aidandj 10-12-2016 10:03 PM

Interesting. I can do about 3 times on my iwg right now.

Savington 10-12-2016 10:04 PM

I want to start with dual-port using the 3-port EFR actuator and see if I can get my desired results before I move to a 4-port.

aidandj 10-12-2016 10:05 PM

How are you plumbing it with the 3 port? Bottom port to atmo?

Leafy 10-12-2016 10:34 PM


Originally Posted by aidandj (Post 1367135)
How are you plumbing it with the 3 port? Bottom port to atmo?

probably "Two port connection (For controlling boost on a turbo system with high back pressure)" from here. I think that will help the bleed off up top on these. Backpressure can certainly blow these IWGs open. https://system.netsuite.com/core/med...=clear&whence=

Ryephile 10-12-2016 11:59 PM


Originally Posted by Savington (Post 1367124)
I don't want to gap the plugs down since it hurts idle quality. I'll do a set of 7EIX and pick up a set of 8s to try once I get a chance to get a full-wood tune on the car.

BKR7EIX [not -11] is an excellent choice, I run them currently in the Miata and I've also run them in the Exige S and my old 318wHP MINI Cooper S. For your power goal, however, you might have to suck it up and run the 8 heat range and deal with fouling. You can't have a big ass cake and eat it too and not have indigestion.

sonofthehill 10-13-2016 12:19 AM


Originally Posted by Savington (Post 1367124)
I don't want to gap the plugs down since it hurts idle quality. I'll do a set of 7EIX and pick up a set of 8s to try once I get a chance to get a full-wood tune on the car.

If you say so, but the eix's come gapped at .031. Are you going to increase the gap on the eix's to match the gap on the -11's so we know if $10 iridium plugs are actually doing anything?

Downmented 10-13-2016 12:40 PM

4port EBCS really have no limit in comparison to the spring used, I personally ran roughly a 7lb spring and ran 41psi+ with my 4port ebcs, granted that was with EWG and not a Miata. Theyre golden, but for EWG when modulating boost they have a horrible flutter sound that drove me bananas.

Just my .02

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Savington 10-13-2016 12:41 PM


Originally Posted by Ryephile (Post 1367167)
For your power goal, however, you might have to suck it up and run the 8 heat range and deal with fouling.

It's a daily-driven street car, fouling isn't acceptable. :) If I were trying to make that 400whp on gas, then yes, but that will be an E85 map and 8s will definitely be too cold for that. Only looking for ~325whp on gas.


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