A Tale of Two Miatas: Hraday93's MSM Build
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Thanks guys! I didn't mean to fall off the map so long, but yes it feels amazing. I miss this car so much and have been daily driving a 2001 Passat that Kotzur Racing let me use to get back and forth to work. I should have the car up and running soon, and I'll be posting videos once I'm positive it's safe to turn the key on and let it idle.
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Quick mock up of my oil feed line on block #2 (yes there will be two identically built engines). And I'll run that line a lot cleaner in the actual engine bay. Matt at Kotzur Racing is harvesting pieces of the stock drain line to make a new one for this setup. Here's to hoping the car will be running next week!
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A lot of the design element came of the request to make everything fit within the stock specs of the hood and strut tower brace. I wondered if the thing would sag, I suppose putting a brace onto it should definitely be something I look into after seeing how that could become a problem later down the road.
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I don't think the manifold will sag, I think it will crack due to vibrations and weight. It will probably take a while depending on how thick the weld el's are, but it will probably happen.
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1 1/4 steel, and the welds penetrate all the way through. No ghetto bends, they were all pre-made manifold elbows cut to fit. It's actually going to be coated and wrapped as well. Hopefully cracks won't become an issue like that eBay garbage that came on the car.
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FINALLY got my oil cooler. These were on a 5 week backorder from Mazda, and somehow the Mazdaspeed specific one is $200 cheaper than the NB one. Oh well no complaints from me.
Also... We got a little somethin-somethin for that 280z that plays peekaboo in this build thread from time to time
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I paid $200 bucks. Gave a little extra to my builder for the trouble of picking it up for me. Mazda charges around $190 something and over $400 for the normal NB cooler. Not sure why as the MSM one is bigger and presumably has more surface area internally for cooling. Who knows, could be that they just simplified the design.
FWIW the threads are the exact same for install...not sure what the actual differences are.
FWIW the threads are the exact same for install...not sure what the actual differences are.
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Need some advice guys. My motor will be ready to fire up next week and I'm torn between breaking everything in on the stock MSM ecu or using my MSPNPPro.
I know I did a total noob thing and went big turbo before I ever fired up the MS to train it to know my car but the circumstances of the engine failure sent me another direction.
Here's the scenario:
I'm on stock injectors, stock throttle body, completely open wastegate in hopes of no boost being made until the motor is set in. I'm not running a MAF sensor anymore since a guy bought my BEGi cold air intake off the car to make room for the turbo.
What compications will arise over the next 1000 miles that I can get in front of?
Once the motor is broken in, the new fuel system will be put into the car and i'll have a different fuel pump, injectors, etc to actually tune and make real power.
I know I did a total noob thing and went big turbo before I ever fired up the MS to train it to know my car but the circumstances of the engine failure sent me another direction.
Here's the scenario:
I'm on stock injectors, stock throttle body, completely open wastegate in hopes of no boost being made until the motor is set in. I'm not running a MAF sensor anymore since a guy bought my BEGi cold air intake off the car to make room for the turbo.
What compications will arise over the next 1000 miles that I can get in front of?
Once the motor is broken in, the new fuel system will be put into the car and i'll have a different fuel pump, injectors, etc to actually tune and make real power.
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Thanks. I figured that was a 99% percent chance the lack of MAF would "decide" for me
Also is it normal to have a registration key for the software or did any of you have to pay for the TunerStudio and LogViewer?
Also is it normal to have a registration key for the software or did any of you have to pay for the TunerStudio and LogViewer?
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Got the oil cooler on, finally. I lost the threaded shaft that was on my MSM block but luckily the block that is in the car had one too. Kotzur Racing had the whole original tear down from almost two years ago when I wanted to put this block in my NA. Looks like it won't be running this week as I planned. But Matt is almost done making a new drain line out of the OEM parts.
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