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18psi 11-09-2014 11:46 PM

you can fix the coolant hose "problem" with a MSM mixing mani. And no, I don't have a spare one lol
you can fix the ps "problem" by simply shortening that rubber hose. I had to do that on the begi s4 setup too.

other than that, very nice dude, so excited to see progress :party:

btw I stuffed your jack, tow thingie, and wrench in gesso's box. going out tomorrow.
hope that's what you're waiting for since 70AD

EO2K 11-10-2014 03:31 PM


Originally Posted by Fireindc (Post 1181840)
Nice man, doin work. What a long sexy turbo you have.

Why, thank you kind sir

Originally Posted by 18psi (Post 1181843)
you can fix the coolant hose "problem" with a MSM mixing mani. And no, I don't have a spare one lol
you can fix the ps "problem" by simply shortening that rubber hose. I had to do that on the begi s4 setup too.

I've thought about this. I'll probably put up a WTB for an MSM mixing manifold this week and see what happens. I already have the MSM crossover tube with the nipple on it, so that would make things ultra convenient. If that does not work, its chop n tig time. Between Gesso and I, one of us should have a spare by now.

And speaking of spares, I actually have a spare NB PS rack specifically for depowering. I've not got around to doing anything with it yet, but it is something I'd like to try. I'm just not incredibly happy that I have to deal with this stuff at all, because I specifically ordered this in an attempt to avoid this kind of stuff. Oh well, its not like I'm going to return it. ;)

Originally Posted by 18psi (Post 1181843)
other than that, very nice dude, so excited to see progress :party:

As am I :party:

Originally Posted by 18psi (Post 1181843)
btw I stuffed your jack, tow thingie, and wrench in gesso's box. going out tomorrow.
hope that's what you're waiting for since 70AD

Yay! :bigtu:

codrus 11-10-2014 03:37 PM


Originally Posted by EO2K (Post 1182019)
I've thought about this. I'll probably put up a WTB for an MSM mixing manifold this week and see what happens. I already have the MSM crossover tube with the nipple on it, so that would make things ultra convenient. If that does not work, its chop n tig time. Between Gesso and I, one of us should have a spare by now.

If not, I have a spare that came off the motor I disassembled for my new block.

--Ian

EO2K 11-10-2014 04:12 PM


Originally Posted by codrus (Post 1182021)
If not, I have a spare that came off the motor I disassembled for my new block.

--Ian

Regular or MSM? Because I'd probably take either at this point.

codrus 11-10-2014 05:23 PM


Originally Posted by EO2K (Post 1182043)
Regular or MSM? Because I'd probably take either at this point.

Regular (motor came out of a 10AE).

--Ian

HHammerly 11-10-2014 10:05 PM

3 Attachment(s)
I had the same mixing manifold and power steering hose issues w mine, this is how i delt with it.https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1415675119
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1415675119
http://i1084.photobucket.com/albums/...ps463aa5a8.jpg
Also re-routed the rack return line under the steering shaft
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EO2K 11-11-2014 01:33 AM


Originally Posted by codrus (Post 1182061)
Regular (motor came out of a 10AE).

How much do you want for it? Have you met up with Gesso yet? If you'll take $10~$15 for it I'm sure Gesso carries cash, and I can catch up with him later ;)

codrus 11-11-2014 11:52 AM


Originally Posted by EO2K (Post 1182147)
How much do you want for it? Have you met up with Gesso yet? If you'll take $10~$15 for it I'm sure Gesso carries cash, and I can catch up with him later ;)

I haven't met up with Gesso yet, should be happening this week. $10 is fine. :)

--Ian

EO2K 11-11-2014 11:59 AM

Schweet. I guess I could sent it via Paypal too. I figure I'll end up bringing the turbo manifold over to his place and we can test clearance on one of his many engines and figure out where to make the cut and how far to rotate the inlet.

I guess I could flip the mixing manifold, but I really dislike the stupidity that then follows with the heater return line. I don't mind making a few additional clearance bends here and there, but I very much dislike the 4' heater hose most people have decided to use.

18psi 11-11-2014 12:20 PM


Originally Posted by EO2K (Post 1181806)
Well let me tell you something.... the stock ECU uses WAY WAY WAY less timing down low compared to the MS3 and boy howdy can you feel it. The car is WAY down on power from what I'm used to. Stomping on the throttle does next to nothing. There is no pull whatsoever, no feeling of acceleration

ha

I was totally going to comment on this: while the NB1 definitely has less lowend grunt than the VEEVEETEEZ, pretty much the same holds true for my experience as well:

lowend/midrange increase is very significant with the MS3.

codrus 11-11-2014 12:33 PM


Originally Posted by 18psi (Post 1182216)
ha

I was totally going to comment on this: while the NB1 definitely has less lowend grunt than the VEEVEETEEZ, pretty much the same holds true for my experience as well:

lowend/midrange increase is very significant with the MS3.

Stock ECU tuned for 87 octane, MS3 for 91?

--Ian

EO2K 11-11-2014 12:46 PM

That, plus boat anchor iron manifold with pre-cat.

18psi 11-11-2014 01:03 PM


Originally Posted by codrus (Post 1182220)
Stock ECU tuned for 87 octane, MS3 for 91?

--Ian

I guess.
But don't all NB2's run 91 or higher mandatory?
I know on the NB1 supposedly its recommended but not mandated, but not so with the 2

hornetball 11-11-2014 01:11 PM

NB2 did have higher compression. I'm using NB2 pistons on the red car for the compression.

EO2K 11-11-2014 01:42 PM

Its only a half point more between NB1 and NB2. I suspect it has more to do with the CA Emissions programmed stock ECU and terrible cast iron manifold design. As much as we make fun of them, I feel like there is a reason the Spec Miata guys ditch the CA spec NB1 ECU for the 49 State NB1 ECU. Gesso has the 49 State ECU in his Exo and I swear the engine just flat out responds differently. (Part of this may be the fact that its in an Exo :giggle: )

For the record, the car is filled up with CA91 at the moment. If you believe the internet, this will drop NOx slightly at the expense of slight bump in HC. With not only one but two healthy cats on the car, I see no reason to worry about this. My ignition is functioning properly but I need to check my plugs. I think I'm still running one step hotter (6?) for trackday stuff. Probably not a bad idea to put whatever Mazda recommends as stock back in the car just to be safe.

At this point I'm just glad its not throwing codes. I've got a week or so to fiddle so knock on wood.

codrus 11-11-2014 01:50 PM


Originally Posted by 18psi (Post 1182225)
I guess.
But don't all NB2's run 91 or higher mandatory?
I know on the NB1 supposedly its recommended but not mandated, but not so with the 2

99-00s were advertised as running on 87. Mine would ping occasionally, so I ran 89 for the first couple years I owned it, before I installed the turbo.

--Ian

gesso 11-11-2014 10:42 PM


Originally Posted by codrus (Post 1182209)
I haven't met up with Gesso yet, should be happening this week. $10 is fine. :)

--Ian

I've got cash, no need to PayPal. Ian, I don't think I'll be able to make it by tomorrow night. Thursday work?

codrus 11-11-2014 10:54 PM


Originally Posted by gesso (Post 1182329)
I've got cash, no need to PayPal. Ian, I don't think I'll be able to make it by tomorrow night. Thursday work?

Thursday I'll be in Willows. :) I will be back by the weekend, however.

--Ian

EO2K 11-19-2014 05:04 PM

Just failed smog due to visual. Thanks Moroso AOS.

Midtenn 11-19-2014 05:09 PM

And that's why I like Tennessee's inspection. Stick a mirror under the car to look for a cat (if you drive an MR2 they don't even ask you to pop the engine lid to see the cat), check the gas cap seal, and do a sniff (at idle) to make sure its clean. Never open the hood to see all the shiny bits.


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