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codrus 08-27-2017 05:18 PM

AIUI, you need to be careful machining oil impregnated bushing material, because if the tool isn't super sharp it will smear the porous metal and you won't get proper lubrication on the surface that was cut.

--Ian

EO2K 08-27-2017 05:24 PM


Originally Posted by MiataMan00 (Post 1436160)
I know a guy in SJ with a lathe if you can't find anyone over there

@gesso has one, I just need to get up there and use it. I need to make some couplers as well, we just need to find some time to connect.

I'm in a strange spot when it comes to machine tools. I started working with CNC and never got a chance to learn the basics on a manual machine. I know the basic theory of operation, but I need someone who knows what they are doing to look over my shoulder and make sure I'm not going to kill myself.


Originally Posted by codrus (Post 1436168)
AIUI, you need to be careful machining oil impregnated bushing material, because if the tool isn't super sharp it will smear the porous metal and you won't get proper lubrication on the surface that was cut.

--Ian

You are correct, I've worked with these types of materials in the past so I'm familiar with their particulars. Fortunately I'm not turning an OD on impregnated bushing, I'm turning the length on the steel support sleeve that rides inside that bushing. I'm guessing its something like 0.5~0.75mm per sleeve, but that remains to be seen. It "should" be cake, but I seem to find new and novel ways to fuck things up.

hi_im_sean 08-27-2017 05:48 PM

If you can hold the sleeve in the chuck, you can bolt a piece of HSS or what have you to the table and make it a vertical lathe. Or if its anything but convenient to find a lathe, I can make some custom sleeves for you and we can just exchange yours.

And another point on oilite, if you get it even just warm, it pisses all the oil out.

EO2K 08-28-2017 11:48 AM


Originally Posted by hi_im_sean (Post 1436178)
If you can hold the sleeve in the chuck, you can bolt a piece of HSS or what have you to the table and make it a vertical lathe. Or if its anything but convenient to find a lathe, I can make some custom sleeves for you and we can just exchange yours.

Much appreciated :bigtu: Unfortunately, I don't have anything that has a chuck large enough to grab the bushing otherwise I'd try to do it on the workbench. Because I have that particular type of crazy.


Originally Posted by hi_im_sean (Post 1436178)
And another point on oilite, if you get it even just warm, it pisses all the oil out.

Except I don't need to touch the bushings themselves, just the sleeves. I was under the impression the sleeve is some flavor of steel and the bearings themselves are SAE 863 Oilite. Is this not accurate?

codrus 08-28-2017 12:47 PM

If it's just the steel sleeve you can probably shorten it with a grinder. :)

--Ian

EO2K 08-28-2017 01:06 PM

The thought had crossed my mind, but I'm not super confident I can get it perfectly square again.

gesso 08-28-2017 02:46 PM

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...6dacc55d0b.jpg

I'm outta town this weekend... But if you send me your bushings and tell me how much to cut off I can get them back to you quick like.

I mean your car can sit like that for another week right?

hi_im_sean 08-28-2017 03:48 PM


Originally Posted by EO2K (Post 1436300)
Much appreciated :bigtu: Unfortunately, I don't have anything that has a chuck large enough to grab the bushing otherwise I'd try to do it on the workbench. Because I have that particular type of crazy.



Except I don't need to touch the bushings themselves, just the sleeves. I was under the impression the sleeve is some flavor of steel and the bearings themselves are SAE 863 Oilite. Is this not accurate?

Depending on the batch, sleeves are either 4130, 1144, or a513. You have 1144, cuts like butter. And yea all oilite bushings are SAE863. First time I cut some SAE841, it took me a min to figure out why oil was flinging off the chuck lol.

psyber_0ptix 08-28-2017 04:58 PM

I had to cut off 3mm off each FUCA steel sleeve. It would knock around otherwise when braking. Still works like a charm otherwise.

EO2K 08-28-2017 07:45 PM


Originally Posted by hi_im_sean (Post 1436369)
Depending on the batch, sleeves are either 4130, 1144, or a513. You have 1144, cuts like butter. And yea all oilite bushings are SAE863. First time I cut some SAE841, it took me a min to figure out why oil was flinging off the chuck lol.

Hahaha! Yeah, the sintered/powdered bronze stuff is a trip to work with. When I did bushings with that stuff, we would buy the material as tube with a nominal bore and only machine the OD, and then press them in to cast iron roller wheels for some godawful piece of palletizing equipment. I fucking hated those things because they would bring me a big pallet of rollers and I'd have to press out the hooped up bushings, measure the bores, sort them by size and then cut bushings to fit. Eventually I got tired of all the front end sorting work and small batches so I just bored all the rollers to a standard ID and only had to make one bushing. After 2 trips through the shop, I didn't have to measure them anymore. My foreman was shocked that I was able to do them 3x faster than anyone else had previously, though I'm pretty sure they continued to quote the same amount for the job :giggle:


Originally Posted by psyber_0ptix (Post 1436390)
I had to cut off 3mm off each FUCA steel sleeve. It would knock around otherwise when braking. Still works like a charm otherwise.

3mm PER SLEEVE? So 6mm of material removal per side? Jeebus. Ok, so my 1.5~2mm doesn't sound nearly so shocking now. Thank you for the data point :bigtu:

hi_im_sean 08-28-2017 07:47 PM


Originally Posted by psyber_0ptix (Post 1436390)
I had to cut off 3mm off each FUCA steel sleeve. It would knock around otherwise when braking. Still works like a charm otherwise.


Thats because you have V8R front upper arms and I sent you the wrong sleeves(for oem arms). Gordon just has a weird issue as his sleeves are the correct length for oem arms.

EO2K 09-01-2017 01:00 PM


Originally Posted by hi_im_sean (Post 1436430)
Gordon just has a weird issue as his sleeves are the correct length for oem arms.

Story of my life :P

EO2K 09-01-2017 07:21 PM

Next track day is October 6, so I guess I should start trying to do things. :giggle:

One thing I've been complaining about for a while now (wait, just one thing?!) is that I'm the jackass in the 300hp Miata with the stock seats and 3 points, so to that end, I've decided to do something about it.

Enter: the Hard Dog Harness Bar

I ordered from Goodwin and it showed up with no drama. Its a very nice looking part in black powder coat that of course matches my HD roll bar.

My problems started when I opened the box and discovered no instructions. The Harness Bar included 6 washers and 2 black powder coated steel tube spacers zip tied to one of the bolt holes. And thats it. Not to have my enthusiasm for new parts be dampened, I forged ahead anyway.

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...7010b8cf70.jpg

I started by removing the pesky seats so I had room to work.

The first order of business was to figure out where the bar needed to go, either over or under the existing ears on the roll bar where it ties into the seatbelt tower bolts.

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...b7a5d54452.jpg

The short spacer on the left is the one included with the harness bar, the taller one on the right is the one that was installed in my car like ~8 years ago when Gesso and I installed my roll bar. Just FYI, they were an absolute bastard to pry out.

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...c21bba866b.jpg

This tiny ass bolt is probably useless, but it at least gave me a data point about location.

https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...96d6b14599.jpg

Short spacer, harness bar ear, and roll bar ear. Harness bar is obviously rotated back in this picture, but as you can see, there is quite a gap.

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...535e330d3a.jpg

Here is the passenger side with the gap. It doesn't look squared up because the bar is not rotated up into place quite yet, plus the angle of the camera is stupid.

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...1f3c61a1de.jpg

Well, through some online inquery and process of elimination, I cam to assume this is what the 6 washers are for, to take up the space between the top of the harness bar mount ear and the ear on the roll bar. Unfortunately, it took all 6 washers to do just one side and there is still a huge gap on the drivers side. And I don't have any more washers. Goddammit.

Somewhere in the back of my mind I remember when we installed my roll bar there were some gold cad plated spacers that were left over. It was an old and fuzzy memory, but it seemed like they might be the perfect fit. If I could find them.

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...93f2ec75fd.jpg

I tend to bag and tag the hardware that comes off the car when I do mods, and sometimes it actually makes it into the big box of stock stuff.

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...d4fa2ff745.jpg

Hell yeah! That little gold spacer is the one I remembered, and its almost exactly the same height as 6 of the provided washers stacked up.

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...e29e96525e.jpg

Damn, perfect fit! Double dammit! I only have one of them :cry:

If I had a lathe I'd measure and cut something to fit, but I don't have a lathe so that's out. I absolutely did not want to go to the hardware store to buy a bunch of washers I dug through the garage and ended up using leftover ARP head stud washers that I didn't use when I installed my head.

I mean, I understand production variance, but... really? Oh well, shit's installed. Next step is to get seats and belts and harnesses setup :party:

Mobius 09-02-2017 10:42 PM

Being strapped in and not having to brace makes such a huge difference.

EO2K 09-03-2017 03:09 PM


Originally Posted by Mobius (Post 1437495)
Being strapped in and not having to brace makes such a huge difference.

I suspect you are correct and this will provide a confidence boost, to be sure.

I'm hoping to make some actual progress today seeing as it should be in thr mid 80s rather than the 107 I had yesterday. Bleh.

hi_im_sean 09-03-2017 03:28 PM

It makes a huge difference. Also, quit being a bitch... lets go have sno cones

ridethecliche 09-03-2017 10:25 PM

Can I have snow cones? I'm in VT tho and it was 50 today...

EO2K 09-04-2017 01:40 AM

Ok, passenger side is done. I had a little challenge getting the factory seatbelt receiver bolted up, and I'll probably buy another one (hint: if you have one to sell LMK) so I can bend it to fit a bit better, but it's good 'nuff for now.

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.mia...4434e8fb31.jpg

PCI mount is in, and out again, and back in again. I invited my friend Jeremy over and we made the adjustment to the tunnel sheet metal so I could get the full amount of left/right travel out of it. I'm on the second from the bottom hole in the front, and the top hole in the rear and that puts me about where I was with the foamectomy seat. Tomorrow I'm going to drop it down and see how low she can go. The fore/aft adjustment is a bit of a challenge because once you loosen the bolts enough that you can slide the seat, it's almost impossible to get out of the car without screwing up the location. It's not insurmountable, but a second person would make it a lot easier.

It's a really nice super high quality part, it almost seems a shame to cover it up with a seat.

hi_im_sean 09-04-2017 09:00 AM

I have a couple from an NA, if you want.

icantlearn 09-04-2017 02:26 PM

What exactly did you do to the tunnel to get it to fit?


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