MSM project nearing completion
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So after discussion with my mechanic I think I will have to pull the engine and go through it. The low oil pressure gives me no confidence of the ability of this build to stand up to extended WOT periods.
We'll mainly check the bearing clearances, check the oil pump/bypass. the pickup, check the head etc
rebuilding the motor will give me a chance to do some stuff I didnt do the first time like WPC treatment of some stuff, REM on the crank journals I don't know.
I am still planning on adding a full dry sump system from Anderson Race engineering.
Hopefully the NB radiator from Trackspeed will be available soon
Lastly, my tuner really hates the Hydra 2.7 so far. He asked me if I would switch to an AEM today
We'll mainly check the bearing clearances, check the oil pump/bypass. the pickup, check the head etc
rebuilding the motor will give me a chance to do some stuff I didnt do the first time like WPC treatment of some stuff, REM on the crank journals I don't know.
I am still planning on adding a full dry sump system from Anderson Race engineering.
Hopefully the NB radiator from Trackspeed will be available soon
Lastly, my tuner really hates the Hydra 2.7 so far. He asked me if I would switch to an AEM today
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So after discussion with my mechanic I think I will have to pull the engine and go through it. The low oil pressure gives me no confidence of the ability of this build to stand up to extended WOT periods.
We'll mainly check the bearing clearances, check the oil pump/bypass. the pickup, check the head etc
rebuilding the motor will give me a chance to do some stuff I didnt do the first time like WPC treatment of some stuff, REM on the crank journals I don't know.
I am still planning on adding a full dry sump system from Anderson Race engineering.
Hopefully the NB radiator from Trackspeed will be available soon
Lastly, my tuner really hates the Hydra 2.7 so far. He asked me if I would switch to an AEM today
We'll mainly check the bearing clearances, check the oil pump/bypass. the pickup, check the head etc
rebuilding the motor will give me a chance to do some stuff I didnt do the first time like WPC treatment of some stuff, REM on the crank journals I don't know.
I am still planning on adding a full dry sump system from Anderson Race engineering.
Hopefully the NB radiator from Trackspeed will be available soon
Lastly, my tuner really hates the Hydra 2.7 so far. He asked me if I would switch to an AEM today
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So after discussion with my mechanic I think I will have to pull the engine and go through it. The low oil pressure gives me no confidence of the ability of this build to stand up to extended WOT periods.
We'll mainly check the bearing clearances, check the oil pump/bypass. the pickup, check the head etc
rebuilding the motor will give me a chance to do some stuff I didnt do the first time like WPC treatment of some stuff, REM on the crank journals I don't know.
I am still planning on adding a full dry sump system from Anderson Race engineering.
Hopefully the NB radiator from Trackspeed will be available soon
Lastly, my tuner really hates the Hydra 2.7 so far. He asked me if I would switch to an AEM today
We'll mainly check the bearing clearances, check the oil pump/bypass. the pickup, check the head etc
rebuilding the motor will give me a chance to do some stuff I didnt do the first time like WPC treatment of some stuff, REM on the crank journals I don't know.
I am still planning on adding a full dry sump system from Anderson Race engineering.
Hopefully the NB radiator from Trackspeed will be available soon
Lastly, my tuner really hates the Hydra 2.7 so far. He asked me if I would switch to an AEM today
You should at least consider discussing the issue with Boundary Engineering before making a rash decision and spending that kind of doe on a dry sump.
When I talked to Boundary, they suggested that I know exactly what my rod and main journal clearances were, and then they would know how much volume and pressure to correctly set up the oil pump. You may just need to pull the pump, and have it shimmed to the correct volume.
Sounds to me that the engine builder built the motor loose like it should be, and a simple oil pump adjustment is all it needs. I doubt seriously that there is a problem with the motor. I hate to see you throw money away unnecessarily.
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Well after a long year the beast finally runs.
Short block was rebuilt with proper bearing clearances and it now has great oil pressure.
Had some problems with local miata shop and the integral cams were damaged and are now being repaired for $460.
So the car has stock cams in it for now.
this is one of the plots from the intial tune-the ID 1000s actually idle pretty nice
The intial tune was pretty conservative. The final intial tune made 342hp but for some reason I don't have that plot on my jump drive. at this tune level car is still quite quick.
Inital plan is put a few miles on the car and then come back and retune(maybe with repaired integral cams) with a race gas tune as well. Still considering whether to switch to E85 it's just that any stations are so far from my house that it makes it impractical
Still a few odds and ends to finish up-install trackspeed front rotors, trackspeed NB radiator when available then do some ducting and then hopefully finished.
Short block was rebuilt with proper bearing clearances and it now has great oil pressure.
Had some problems with local miata shop and the integral cams were damaged and are now being repaired for $460.
So the car has stock cams in it for now.
this is one of the plots from the intial tune-the ID 1000s actually idle pretty nice
The intial tune was pretty conservative. The final intial tune made 342hp but for some reason I don't have that plot on my jump drive. at this tune level car is still quite quick.
Inital plan is put a few miles on the car and then come back and retune(maybe with repaired integral cams) with a race gas tune as well. Still considering whether to switch to E85 it's just that any stations are so far from my house that it makes it impractical
Still a few odds and ends to finish up-install trackspeed front rotors, trackspeed NB radiator when available then do some ducting and then hopefully finished.
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Your boost be creepin' son. If you do decide on E85 I have a feeling ID1000's won't be enough depending on how much boost you plan on running, but then again you'd want to take advantage of E85 and run all of the boost at least 50 psi.
Also, I agree with your tuner on Hydra...mine laughed when I mentioned Hydra and said it's the biggest POS and a pain to tune. Go AEM you won't regret it.
Also, I agree with your tuner on Hydra...mine laughed when I mentioned Hydra and said it's the biggest POS and a pain to tune. Go AEM you won't regret it.
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E85 would be great for some extra HP but no one carries it near my house so until then I will just stick with pump gas. Of course there is always the bug to get more horsepower and while I am intrigued by the GTX turbos, I'll probably just put the money in some suspension(Xida 2ways?) or aero mods maybe strip and cage it.
I still haven't decided if I am going to put the integral cams in it or just swap to VVT head and call it done.
For now I just want to drive the thing and it still needs a corner balance and alignment.
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He's making 14psi at 4500 scott and just 210 ftlb with a 3071. IIRC I made about 230torques at the wheels at that rpm with the same exhaust mani, a much smaller IWG turbo (2560) and worse cyl. head. Summin's not right. He did say that was the pre tuned plot though.
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I don't have the final plot from the initial day of tuning. The torque curve was somewhat better, I think it was around 225-230 at 4K. There is still some more tuning to be done before I start driving it. They were also playing with some of the 2.7 Hydra features and this is the first car with the 2.7 they have tuned. I'll post an updated dyno plot from the next session(I also wasn't there when they did the intial tuning).
Honestly I was just excited that the car actually runs-has good oil pressure and doesnt appear to leak any fluids to be too concerned about numbers right now. I'm sure there will be plenty of things left to work out prior to getting anything like the best performance out the car.
Honestly I was just excited that the car actually runs-has good oil pressure and doesnt appear to leak any fluids to be too concerned about numbers right now. I'm sure there will be plenty of things left to work out prior to getting anything like the best performance out the car.
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