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What do you Guys think about a water/air intercooler in the Engine Bay ?
Apart from the Complexity of such a Setup it should only have benefits i think.....
As i said the Nb Turboconversion was originally a complete HGP Kit with a gt2554 Turbo
The only Thing changed is the Gt2560r now
It has a tiny fmic intercooler wich isn't PnP in an Na Modell...so i'm thinking about a Upgrade .
The Radiator will be a Mishimoto 3 Row with a shroud and 2 Fans
Apart from the Complexity of such a Setup it should only have benefits i think.....
As i said the Nb Turboconversion was originally a complete HGP Kit with a gt2554 Turbo
The only Thing changed is the Gt2560r now
It has a tiny fmic intercooler wich isn't PnP in an Na Modell...so i'm thinking about a Upgrade .
The Radiator will be a Mishimoto 3 Row with a shroud and 2 Fans
Charge pipes around the radiator, or over the radiator, are straightforward enough and been done 100 times.
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Someone will be along shortly to convince you not to go water/air intercooler. I will say though that you shouldn't do it. There are plenty of good affordable intercoolers that will be a better choice.
What are you doing for engine management? What are the laws in Germany in regards to aftermarket engine management?
What are you doing for engine management? What are the laws in Germany in regards to aftermarket engine management?
In Germany a Ecu may not be adjustable in any way...this means you eventually can run a programmable Ecu(if you want it to be legal) but only when it's "sealed"
But even that depends on the tüv auditor and his willing
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Even if the Emissions are ok, that doesn't mean anything ,if you don't have THE Report they want which can cost many thousands of Euro.
A normal emission test doesn't count for them
You can make a Turbo Miata with stock Emission "Euro 1" (Na's till 1996 ) with a good tune to pass "Euro 2" or 3 no problem but like i said that doesn't count if you haven't the papers they wont
But everything you change for example turbo conversion ,other tranny ,diff , more power all in all, other Turbo,even a catback,suspension without certificat you must pass THEIR emission test and/or many other things can make problems.
A Tuning Shop has often much more Scope with tüv approval instead of a private person .
It's the old Game Money and influence wins
If you import a skyline for example or another vehicle ,which wasn't offical sold in Europe ,you have a little more chances
My "MX5" is also a Us Import that means the "Key Numbers" (don't know the Word or if it even exist in the Us) are all zeros ,so they don't know what was stock in this Car from factory
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German Tüv doesn't have any documents of this car they registered it as a normal Mx5 but can't say what was stock and what not
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When a Car freshly comes (not registred ever in the Eu ) you can make a Single Turbo Supra street legal
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It's unnecessary complicated here
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-You shouldn't be louder than X%
-You should pass Emission like stock
-You should only buy and drive quality Stuff that won't kill you and others on the street like some China **** could do
That would America also do well
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-Upgrade your brakes,suspension and tyres if you go high Hp
But that's about it...the Rest is money making
K-Sport Coilovers for example are a couple hundrets more expensive here because of the tuv approval....we all know they're the same
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You can't even make a pair of ******* expensive Volk Racing Wheels or Tein Coilovers street legal here without having the Connection or the needed amount of Money to go to a Tuning Shop.
Quality doesn't count it's been so since i'm in Cars (11 years )
On the other Side they legalise cheap Crap like TA Technix Coilovers (Raceland) .
The european Distributor of them takes some Money and make his **** legal............
It's the same with cheap Wheels ,which break permanently......Rotas and xxr's are bulletproof against some of them
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Take some "Motorsport proofen" Parts (brakes,seats,steering wheels ,cage etc)which are really tested during hardest abuse over years in racing you won't get them legal if nothing from the above said occurs.
Even Saftey Stuff like a Rollbar for the Miata is a Problem ,because neither a Harddog or a Trlane has a Certification.
Next Thing is they're mounted on 2 Points where the stock saftey Harness is mounted......this is the biggest problem for them 2 SKREWS
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They should personally do a Rollover WITHOUT a real rollbar first to get a impression of what it's like
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"Style Bars" which will break your Neck in an Accident if you're unlucky are no Problem
I do it like this to get a registration (was already first registred in 1991) :
I do the Stuff Tüv wants :
Brakes ,Suspension,Motor ,Rust etc
I put in a 1.8 Miata Na Engine for Tüv that i have no stress and the Time of 2 Years to find a "normal and cheap "Aditor who makes the Engine street legal
The most important Thing is to make it registration capable no later than end of May .
Because in July i will take it to a big Camping Trip to the Alps,Croatia ,Bosnia and Montenegro
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If someones interested :
First trough the Alps (not me in the Video) some might know this Road from TopGear "Drivers Heaven"
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Then Croatia:
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I think you misunderstood. I meant that someone with more knowledge than me will tell you not to. And you just did. I was just giving my own opinion based on me reading a dozen people being told not to go water/air, but not based on any real science or personal experience.
I must add that I'm more than flattered at the "And you just did."
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Some little progress :
I've prime coated the Engine Bay today...
To clean it from all that Dirt,oil,several paint layers etc. from a quarter Century was was a really crappy job![wink](https://www.miataturbo.net/images/smilies/wink.gif)
It will be painted tommorow....
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I ordered some new Parts as well :
Interior:
Tr Lane Gpx Rollbar (already on it's way )
Sparco Sprint Seats
Stri Gauges (oil temp.,oil pressure,Boost,water temp.,Egt)
Aem Wideband (the innovate wasn't complete )
Fuel:
-Deatschwerks Dw300 Fuel Pump (waiting for a month now )
-Fuel Lines /Fpr (same as above)
-Fittings and Fuel Filter
Here are the new Fittings and Fuel Filter :
I've prime coated the Engine Bay today...
To clean it from all that Dirt,oil,several paint layers etc. from a quarter Century was was a really crappy job
![wink](https://www.miataturbo.net/images/smilies/wink.gif)
It will be painted tommorow....
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I ordered some new Parts as well :
Interior:
Tr Lane Gpx Rollbar (already on it's way )
Sparco Sprint Seats
Stri Gauges (oil temp.,oil pressure,Boost,water temp.,Egt)
Aem Wideband (the innovate wasn't complete )
Fuel:
-Deatschwerks Dw300 Fuel Pump (waiting for a month now )
-Fuel Lines /Fpr (same as above)
-Fittings and Fuel Filter
Here are the new Fittings and Fuel Filter :
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Last edited by MiataGarage; 02-12-2015 at 04:44 PM.
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Swap to 1.8 Harness completed ,Carpet and Dashboard went in
Boost Gauge and Wideband Gauge went into the Vents :
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I bought a new Hub for the Sparco Steering Wheel :
It's from hkb ,was very cheap BUT made in Japan
It's double bored (all kinds of steering wheels fit)
The Hub is extremly light compared to others ,so i wonder if it will break in the first Corner![big grin](https://www.miataturbo.net/images/smilies/biggrin.gif)
Anyone know this manufacture ?
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Here is the Rest of the Parts :
Sparco Silverstone and Sparco Snap off
Boost Gauge and Wideband Gauge went into the Vents :
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I bought a new Hub for the Sparco Steering Wheel :
It's from hkb ,was very cheap BUT made in Japan
It's double bored (all kinds of steering wheels fit)
The Hub is extremly light compared to others ,so i wonder if it will break in the first Corner
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Anyone know this manufacture ?
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Here is the Rest of the Parts :
Sparco Silverstone and Sparco Snap off
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Last edited by MiataGarage; 03-29-2015 at 12:41 PM.
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Some Updates:
Sold the K-Sport 6 Pistons Front Calibers because they've 304mm Discs and you must drive 16"> Wheels .
Next Year i buy a Vmaxx Big Brake Kit (they are Ap Racing Calibers)
This Year i drive the oem "big Brake" (2001 Calibers and 270mm Discs )
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I will drive Tarox f2000 and some Ebc yellow all around
"New" GV Lip from Il Motorsport :
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Found a new Short Shifter :
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Should be for a 6 Speed Tranny......
2001 Coils :
Sold the K-Sport 6 Pistons Front Calibers because they've 304mm Discs and you must drive 16"> Wheels .
Next Year i buy a Vmaxx Big Brake Kit (they are Ap Racing Calibers)
This Year i drive the oem "big Brake" (2001 Calibers and 270mm Discs )
![](http://fs1.directupload.net/images/150329/boklypuo.jpg)
I will drive Tarox f2000 and some Ebc yellow all around
"New" GV Lip from Il Motorsport :
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Found a new Short Shifter :
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Should be for a 6 Speed Tranny......
2001 Coils :
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Little Update :
-Wiring is completed
-Got a new canvas Top
-For this Summer a normal Na8 Engine will go in next Week (got new Plans for the Turbo Engine Head ect. )
It's a little too late to get it all done before the End of july ......
If anyone's interested here are some Pics of a Friends Miata Monoposto ( m45 Jrsc ) :
![](https://www.miataturbo.net/attachments/build-threads-57/141035-miatagarages-build-thread-wugcmx28.jpg?dateline=1433361609)
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New Pictures of my Miata will come next Week
-Wiring is completed
-Got a new canvas Top
-For this Summer a normal Na8 Engine will go in next Week (got new Plans for the Turbo Engine Head ect. )
It's a little too late to get it all done before the End of july ......
If anyone's interested here are some Pics of a Friends Miata Monoposto ( m45 Jrsc ) :
![](https://www.miataturbo.net/attachments/build-threads-57/141035-miatagarages-build-thread-wugcmx28.jpg?dateline=1433361609)
![](https://www.miataturbo.net/attachments/build-threads-57/141036-miatagarages-build-thread-lvnw8yqg.jpg?dateline=1433361609)
![](https://www.miataturbo.net/attachments/build-threads-57/141037-miatagarages-build-thread-xqcxlx8s.jpg?dateline=1433361609)
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New Pictures of my Miata will come next Week
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