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codrus 10-23-2015 04:07 PM


Originally Posted by patsmx5 (Post 1277927)
Your boosted cells are pretty similar to mine. Only real difference is after 6,500 I keep adding timing, you keep it flat from 6500 up. Why is that? Dyno said no more power? Or you don't rev that high?

I have stock cams, so there's no point in going over 7000, and my 96K mile, OEM valve springs aren't strong enough so the valves are floating around 6900 anyway. I should do something about that. :)

--Ian

patsmx5 10-23-2015 05:34 PM

Gotcha, makes sense. I too had valve float with a turbo at higher RPMs with stock springs. So I guess the answer to why you don't run more timing at 7K vs 6.5 is that the valve springs are floating and you don't rev that high anyway?

I'm actually working on my setup to try and make more midrange so I don't have to rev it as high for reliability and stock cam happiness.

codrus 10-24-2015 03:12 AM

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I spent a while looking at compressor maps today -- got tired of picking points to compare them and decided to play with them in photoshop. I took the 6258 vs 2863 maps, rescaled them to the same size and overlaid:

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1445670772

The two compressors are pretty close to each other!

--Ian

codrus 10-24-2015 10:50 PM

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Washed the Audi, went out and shot some non-cell phone photos of it today, finally:

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1445741410

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1445741410

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1445741410

--Ian

codrus 11-12-2015 03:08 AM

So I guess my Miata has been trying to pretend it's an FD -- blowing vacuum lines off all over the place. It never did it with the 2560, I guess the extra 8 or 9 psi of boost is enough to make the difference. :) Lost the MAP sensor line at the dyno before Laguna, lost a bunch of the wastegate lines *at* Laguna, and then blew off the the little right-angle line that connects the upper and lower halves of the VICS manifold at the dyno a few weeks ago. This evening I was prepping the car for Thunderhill and decided to go through and properly secure whatever hadn't been done yet and found that the line that feeds the VICS chamber was about 1/4 inch from blowing off. Had to pull the manifold apart to get to it, but I *think* I've got them all now.

Thunderhill 3 mile course on Friday!

--Ian

EO2K 11-12-2015 11:50 AM


Originally Posted by codrus (Post 1282869)
Thunderhill 3 mile course on Friday!

:bigtu:

PDC open event?

aidandj 11-12-2015 12:04 PM

So jealous.

codrus 11-12-2015 02:34 PM

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Argh, all loaded up and the truck threw a couple of glow plug codes. I hope it starts at 7AM tomorrow in Willows at 40 degrees...

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1447356882
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1447356882

--Ian

aidandj 11-12-2015 02:36 PM

Shoulda bought a cummins :fawk:

This is why you should camp at the race track. Then you only have to worry about your car starting.

patsmx5 11-12-2015 03:33 PM


Originally Posted by codrus (Post 1282869)
So I guess my Miata has been trying to pretend it's an FD -- blowing vacuum lines off all over the place. It never did it with the 2560, I guess the extra 8 or 9 psi of boost is enough to make the difference. :) Lost the MAP sensor line at the dyno before Laguna, lost a bunch of the wastegate lines *at* Laguna, and then blew off the the little right-angle line that connects the upper and lower halves of the VICS manifold at the dyno a few weeks ago. This evening I was prepping the car for Thunderhill and decided to go through and properly secure whatever hadn't been done yet and found that the line that feeds the VICS chamber was about 1/4 inch from blowing off. Had to pull the manifold apart to get to it, but I *think* I've got them all now.

Thunderhill 3 mile course on Friday!

--Ian

Yeap! I run zip ties on every vacuum hose for this reason.

Good luck at the track! For the truck, if you are actually worried about it starting, grab a can of WD40. Worst case it won't crank, it will with a shot of WD40.

EO2K 11-12-2015 05:08 PM

He's been using zip ties and still blowin' lines. Last time we were at MRLS safety wire was the only thing that was holding up for him.

aidandj 11-12-2015 05:09 PM

Get some hose clamps.

EO2K 11-12-2015 05:11 PM

Retap everything in NPT and run compression fittings and 1/8" copper pipe.

aidandj 11-12-2015 05:12 PM

Man up and run AN lines.

EO2K 11-12-2015 05:19 PM

Replace all the vacuum things with linear actuators.

patsmx5 11-12-2015 07:22 PM


Originally Posted by EO2K (Post 1283089)
He's been using zip ties and still blowin' lines. Last time we were at MRLS safety wire was the only thing that was holding up for him.

Odd. I've never had a vacuum line come off using a zip tie to secure it on my miata. And I've run as much boost as Ian.

aidandj 11-12-2015 07:23 PM

I bet heat has something to do with it. His wastegate line likes getting brittle and blowing off.

patsmx5 11-12-2015 07:31 PM


Originally Posted by aidandj (Post 1283131)
I bet heat has something to do with it. His wastegate line likes getting brittle and blowing off.

I always ran 1/4" fuel line with hose clamps, and a fire sleeve over that. Lasted for years. External gate though, not sure what he runs.

codrus 11-13-2015 01:12 AM

The heat from the turbo was destroying the zip ties on the wastegate, they got brown, lost all flexibility and started cracking. Safety wire was the right answer for those.

I think the MAP sensor I'd just forgotten to zip tie it, so it's zip tied now. Most of the vacuum lines on the car are just zip ties.

The ones in the guts of the VICS manifold are straight pipe with no barb on them, and zip ties don't have anything to grab onto, plus they're almost impossible to get tight due to lack of clearance. I used safety wire on those this morning.

There *is* one vacuum line left with no restraints on it, it's the one that connects to the VICS vacuum reservoir that's integral in the bottom half of the manifold. It's underneath the fuel rail, and seriously a PITA to get to, but it's also on the other side of a one-way check valve, so it should never see boost.

I am too old to camp at the race track. Hell, I was too old to camp at the race track when I was 25. :) I like the Baymont in Willows, much better than the Best Western because the rooms are actually quiet enough to sleep in without being woken up by trucks rumbling down the freeway.

--Ian

codrus 11-13-2015 01:13 AM

Actually, now that I think about, I'm simultaneously both too old and not old enough to camp at the track. I'm too old to put up with a tent, but I'm not old enough to bring an RV. :)

--Ian


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