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18psi 07-27-2015 07:42 PM

They use e-cool :party:

DNMakinson 07-27-2015 08:22 PM

<p>Love the hard lines.&nbsp;</p>

codrus 07-27-2015 08:48 PM

Intercooler is air to water, the two aluminum parts on the right hand side of the picture are the inlets. I don't think it's so much because German as because packaging.

Wastegate actuators look pneumatic, yes.

--Ian

patsmx5 07-27-2015 10:34 PM


Originally Posted by codrus (Post 1252313)
Intercooler is air to water, the two aluminum parts on the right hand side of the picture are the inlets. I don't think it's so much because German as because packaging.

Wastegate actuators look pneumatic, yes.

--Ian

They work extremely well too. I know mercedes advertised >80% effectiveness under continuous duty for a couple of their new engines with w/a intercoolers. That's NUTS! I'm sure yours is just as good if not better, Audi is pretty good at that kind of stuff.

Hot V V8's look badass! I bet 10 years from now people will be yanking these kind of engines and putting them in other vehicles.

codrus 07-27-2015 11:31 PM

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Loaded up on the trailer, leaving for the FM Open House in Grand Junction tomorrow:

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1438054260

Anyone else going?

--Ian

EO2K 07-28-2015 10:52 AM


Originally Posted by codrus (Post 1252313)
Intercooler is air to water,

Called it! :giggle:

California Lawn Crew checking in :bigtu:

18psi 07-28-2015 10:54 AM

So what engine is that? v6tt? Or what year is your car so I can google it?
I know very little about audi's.

EO2K 07-28-2015 11:07 AM

Come on now, that's clearly a V8. Just count the plug wires.

18psi 07-28-2015 11:15 AM

we talkin bout this pic?
http://www.codrus.com/audi/s6/s6-turbos.jpg

codrus 07-28-2015 11:18 AM

It's a 2016 S6, as listed in my sig. :)

It's a twin-turbo V8, 4.0L, nominally rated at 450 hp. The 2012-2015 cars got a rating of 420, but made almost that at the wheels, so were generally considered to be under-rated. The 2016s get a rating bump to 450, but AFAIK nobody's dyno'd one yet, so it's unclear if that's a bump in actual power or not.

--Ian

EO2K 07-28-2015 11:20 AM

Yes :giggle:

I also enjoy the proximity of the wideband O2 sensors to the turbine housings.

18psi 07-28-2015 11:22 AM

I think I just jizzed. Very cool car

turbofan 07-28-2015 05:19 PM

<p>Looks like simple, straightforward engineering.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>:giggle:</p>

codrus 07-29-2015 12:53 AM

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Originally Posted by EO2K (Post 1252432)
Yes :giggle:

I also enjoy the proximity of the wideband O2 sensors to the turbine housings.

They kinda have to be, the cats are between the motor and the firewall! OTOH, at least they'll be easy to access if they ever need to be replaced...

Somewhere in Nevada, on the way to Grand Junction.

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1438145630

--Ian

EO2K 07-29-2015 11:11 AM


Originally Posted by codrus (Post 1252697)
They kinda have to be, the cats are between the motor and the firewall! OTOH, at least they'll be easy to access if they ever need to be replaced...

Oh yeah, no criticism intended. I just think its kinda funny how OEMs can get away with that where we can't even think about it. I wonder what the replacement cost is for one of those sensors.

Originally Posted by codrus (Post 1252697)
Somewhere in Nevada, on the way to Grand Junction.

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1438145630

--Ian

That looks like its going to be one hell of a fun trip. :bigtu:

codrus 07-29-2015 08:00 PM

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Well, the truck blew its water pump as I crossed into Colorado, but I managed to limp it into the Chevy dealer in Grand Junction and transfer to the Miata. Made it!


https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1438214457

--Ian

EO2K 07-29-2015 08:04 PM

Damn, lots of "driving to Colorado drama" today. Glad to hear you made it! See if they'll let you drive the ND ;)

codrus 07-31-2015 01:11 AM

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Spent the day playing with the car at the track here in Grand Junction. It was somewhat frustrating -- the MS3 didn't cope well with the altitude change, it was running pig rich in boost, I don't know why. Rather than try to solve that, I went out and did a bunch of auto tuning runs for fuel last night on the freeway.

Then when I got to the track, it started giving me sync errors in the first session. This is a little go-kart track, think of it as really being a fast autocross with elevation changes and berms, but the same course every time. Since it's small there's no room to pass, so the format is 5 laps -- 1 out lap, 3 timed laps (via transponders), 1 in lap, with 5 cars on track at the same time. Laps run a hair over a minute.

So I was guessing the sync errors were from the cam sensor heat soaking, it was pretty warm today and I haven't run the car hard in 95F+ temps in a while. It mostly behaved itself in the second session, but the third was a washout too. I managed to track down a spare to try out for the fourth session, and it ran great.

Compounding the problem is that when the car starts doing strange things, my inclination is to cycle the key. Doing this at sea level when it's running is fine, because the barometric sensor reading comes in at full vacuum, the computer throws it away as being out of range, and just uses 100, which is pretty much what it always is in San Jose. Not so much here in Grand Junction, and I think doing this to try to clear sync errors was massively compounding my problems.

Given that I have a GM 3 bar external MAP sensor, why do I have the MS3 running in the combo MAP/baro sensor mode, anyway? Good question, I don't know. I thought I had configured it to use both, but apparently not. I fixed that too.

I'm still not sure why the car was running 20% rich, though. I know there's a VE dropoff due to turbo working harder to make up the lower ambient pressure, but is it really that much?

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1438319496
https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1438319496

I got a ride in Atomic Bettie (not pictured -- that's Igor above, which is a turbo NB. Bettie is a V8 NC). I wasn't overwhelmed by the power in it -- that's probably because it's down 80 hp (from a nominal 430) due to being a naturally aspirated car at altitude. I think the driver was taking it easy as well, he said the cars were getting pretty hot from running all day. Don't get me wrong, it was fast, it just wasn't the awesome V8 torque sensation I'd been expecting. Maybe it's harder to feel that from the passenger seat. :)

After 4 sessions I was hot and tired and called it a day. Plus, my truck was fixed, so I needed to go retrieve it.

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1438319496

Here's hoping it holds up for the trip back to California in a few days!

Running the car on FM's dyno tomorrow, will be interesting to see what it puts down at 270 kpa.

--Ian

codrus 07-31-2015 05:21 PM

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Put the Miata on FM's dyno today.

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1438377691

It worked well up to 215 kpa. At 240 kpa I started having spark breakup issues, looks like I either need to gap them down or upgrade from the Toyota COPs to the GM coils. Still, it turned out 325 at the wheels at 215 kpa, which I'm not displeased by. The spoolup is slow because of the altitude and because FM's dyno doesn't given the same kind of roll-in load that a dynapack/etc does.

https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1438377691

--Ian

hi_im_sean 07-31-2015 05:33 PM


Originally Posted by codrus (Post 1253606)
Put the Miata on FM's dyno today.


https://www.miataturbo.net/attachmen...ine=1438377691

--Ian

:likecat:


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