That fufu GRATATA. ramble..i mean build thread
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That fufu GRATATA. ramble..i mean build thread
I started another thread in the DIY turbo section which is obviously the wrong place and obviously before I explored this site enough to find the proper place. That being said, I'm too lazy tonight to add the pictures that I have, so I'll do that tomorrow, but this will be the initial write-up of my progress so far.
I got my first Miata in May of 2016 after my Mazda 6 got rear ended in evening Philly traffic. I had very little technical experience with cars, my dad and brother were the gearheads growing up. Looking for a new car, I knew I wanted something small and fun. Found a 1990 Classic Red NA6 at a dealership and bought it, hindsight being 20/20, I would have looked longer for a 1.8 probably, maybe an NB, but above all a car that was rust free. Anyway, I learned to drive stick after we got back, and then I immediately wanted to look into modifying the car. Like a 24 year old idiot, I immediately found grainy videos of guys doing 2JZBROO $WAPZ with fat vape clouds everywhere and wanted to look into trying that. I literally emailed a shop to ask them if they could help me do that. Oh god, embarrassed to type some of this out, but it was part of the journey that I accept. One day I realized that I should "settle" with a 1.8 swap and turbo it. Found a 1997 discarded drift **** at a junkyard for $700 that started immediately, tore it apart mostly for motor, diff, driveshaft. Such a great find for that price.
Found this site and started reading and trying to figure out how to use the search function. Almost immediately overwhelmed with terms and graphs and pictures that I couldn't recognize or make sense of, but kept soldiering on. Let's get to the build.
#Goals: Try to make a car that can handle whatever I throw at it, will be improving as I go along. HP? whatever the engine will safely do with an allofit build - I don't want to steal fae's idea so I'll call this a mightaswell build. Throwing out numbers, plan on up to 20psi, but again that's just something I want it to be able to handle. Standard MT build from most of the posts I've seen:
The Big Stuff:
BP4W head, stock valves, took it to machine shop and having it checked out and Supertech double heavy springs installed
VICS IM
Cometic .045 head gasket
Built block: Wiseco 83.5 8.6:1 on Manley H beams with ACL HX Std; ARP head and main studs
6 speed from a 1999; Nielex short shifter; Flyin Miata 10lb flywheel from donor car; ACT XT 6 puck
4.1 Torsen from the donor car; 1.8 single-piece axles
Tokico Illuminas on FM shocks; have Racing Beat sway bars from donor car but haven't tried to install them yet, may need to drill another hole in the front one (1.8 -> 1.6), may just buy a new front for 1.6 chassis; FM adjustable endlinks (do I even need these since the car isn't lowered?)
ECU: MS3X
TSE EFR 6758.
Other stuff:
Depowered steering rack from Hahnlsquid
949 Cooling kit (radiator, reroute)
D585 LS Coils
Walbro 255
ID1000s
15x9 6ULs on 255/45/15 not sure which tire yet
SuperMiata Damper
Boundary oil pump
More stuff:
Complete PU bushing kit
AC delete
Airbag delete
Want minimum 4 point roll bar with door bars, frame rails eventually
Replacing clutch master/slave and have SS clutch line
Replacing tired and rusted old nuts and bolts
949 hybrid motor mounts possibly
Buying ThirdGen's valve cover with the welded pvc vent port
Replacing all gaskets and seals
There are probably more things I'm forgetting, I'll add along the way
Things from the above list that I have not bought yet, plus residual parts:
Left to buy:
Turbo kit and all accessories
Cooling (radiator, reroute, hoses)
Wheels/tires
EBC: need recommendations
Gauges:, oil press, temp, boost will be on ebc
Valve cover, possibly oil pickup, VICS IM
Exhaust: Artech 3"
Misc nuts and bolts that need replacing
Fluids, gasket maker, other sealants
Assorted **** that will pop up and give me headaches.
I got my first Miata in May of 2016 after my Mazda 6 got rear ended in evening Philly traffic. I had very little technical experience with cars, my dad and brother were the gearheads growing up. Looking for a new car, I knew I wanted something small and fun. Found a 1990 Classic Red NA6 at a dealership and bought it, hindsight being 20/20, I would have looked longer for a 1.8 probably, maybe an NB, but above all a car that was rust free. Anyway, I learned to drive stick after we got back, and then I immediately wanted to look into modifying the car. Like a 24 year old idiot, I immediately found grainy videos of guys doing 2JZBROO $WAPZ with fat vape clouds everywhere and wanted to look into trying that. I literally emailed a shop to ask them if they could help me do that. Oh god, embarrassed to type some of this out, but it was part of the journey that I accept. One day I realized that I should "settle" with a 1.8 swap and turbo it. Found a 1997 discarded drift **** at a junkyard for $700 that started immediately, tore it apart mostly for motor, diff, driveshaft. Such a great find for that price.
Found this site and started reading and trying to figure out how to use the search function. Almost immediately overwhelmed with terms and graphs and pictures that I couldn't recognize or make sense of, but kept soldiering on. Let's get to the build.
#Goals: Try to make a car that can handle whatever I throw at it, will be improving as I go along. HP? whatever the engine will safely do with an allofit build - I don't want to steal fae's idea so I'll call this a mightaswell build. Throwing out numbers, plan on up to 20psi, but again that's just something I want it to be able to handle. Standard MT build from most of the posts I've seen:
The Big Stuff:
BP4W head, stock valves, took it to machine shop and having it checked out and Supertech double heavy springs installed
VICS IM
Cometic .045 head gasket
Built block: Wiseco 83.5 8.6:1 on Manley H beams with ACL HX Std; ARP head and main studs
6 speed from a 1999; Nielex short shifter; Flyin Miata 10lb flywheel from donor car; ACT XT 6 puck
4.1 Torsen from the donor car; 1.8 single-piece axles
Tokico Illuminas on FM shocks; have Racing Beat sway bars from donor car but haven't tried to install them yet, may need to drill another hole in the front one (1.8 -> 1.6), may just buy a new front for 1.6 chassis; FM adjustable endlinks (do I even need these since the car isn't lowered?)
ECU: MS3X
TSE EFR 6758.
Other stuff:
Depowered steering rack from Hahnlsquid
949 Cooling kit (radiator, reroute)
D585 LS Coils
Walbro 255
ID1000s
15x9 6ULs on 255/45/15 not sure which tire yet
SuperMiata Damper
Boundary oil pump
More stuff:
Complete PU bushing kit
AC delete
Airbag delete
Want minimum 4 point roll bar with door bars, frame rails eventually
Replacing clutch master/slave and have SS clutch line
Replacing tired and rusted old nuts and bolts
949 hybrid motor mounts possibly
Buying ThirdGen's valve cover with the welded pvc vent port
Replacing all gaskets and seals
There are probably more things I'm forgetting, I'll add along the way
Things from the above list that I have not bought yet, plus residual parts:
Left to buy:
Turbo kit and all accessories
Cooling (radiator, reroute, hoses)
Wheels/tires
EBC: need recommendations
Gauges:, oil press, temp, boost will be on ebc
Valve cover, possibly oil pickup, VICS IM
Exhaust: Artech 3"
Misc nuts and bolts that need replacing
Fluids, gasket maker, other sealants
Assorted **** that will pop up and give me headaches.
Last edited by Philly Miata; 01-19-2017 at 12:17 PM. Reason: My cat walked across my keyboard while fixing the title and managed to submit the post, so now I have a fucked up title.
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Thanks for the info Sav, according to precision's website, the 600 is 31 1/2"L X 8.0"H X 3 1/2"D compared to the 350 you guys sell, with a difference of 5 inches in length and 2 inches in height. I'll look into what I would have to cut to make the bigger IC fit. Another question that I'm sure you could answer: with a bigger intercooler, actually with an intercooler in general, how much is the airflow to the radiator affected in NAs with the stock front end? Are there good any ducting mods to make sure enough air is passing through to the radiator or will it work as is?
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Any idea if the 1.6 FPR would work with an NB fuel rail? I'm using a VICS IM and possibly that fuel rail. I will have both my 1.6 and 1.8 fprs so I'll figure it out somehow. More research required.
Yes, the efr turbos come with a boost control solenoid, and megasquirt can control it, but i would like to be able to change my boost settings on the fly if that's possible. I need to read more about how it works. If I'm completely wrong, I'll know sooner than later.
Yes, the efr turbos come with a boost control solenoid, and megasquirt can control it, but i would like to be able to change my boost settings on the fly if that's possible. I need to read more about how it works. If I'm completely wrong, I'll know sooner than later.
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Any idea if the 1.6 FPR would work with an NB fuel rail? I'm using a VICS IM and possibly that fuel rail. I will have both my 1.6 and 1.8 fprs so I'll figure it out somehow. More research required.
Yes, the efr turbos come with a boost control solenoid, and megasquirt can control it, but i would like to be able to change my boost settings on the fly if that's possible. I need to read more about how it works. If I'm completely wrong, I'll know sooner than later.
Yes, the efr turbos come with a boost control solenoid, and megasquirt can control it, but i would like to be able to change my boost settings on the fly if that's possible. I need to read more about how it works. If I'm completely wrong, I'll know sooner than later.
https://www.miataturbo.net/build-thr...80308/page350/
read this.
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The 1.8L FPR's vacuum nipple faces into the cylinder head IIRC, so your vacuum line will eventually tear, lean the motor out, and blow it up. The 1.6L FPR works, you just have to straighten that nipple out. Alternatively, you can source the EUDM 99-00 FPR from a return-style NB, which drops in and fits perfectly. Even fires the fuel line down, which is slightly preferred over the upside-down 1.6L FPR which puts the return line up.
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Debatable. OP will need a DW300 at minimum, and a Walbro 450 if he intends to run E85 on his setup. Both of those will cause crappy idle with the stock FPR unless you put them on a rewired solid-state relay, which requires PWM control from the MS3. Even if he does do the SSR, OP may discover that to make his power goals without buying a $900 set of ID1300s, he may need more base pressure than the stock 43psi FPR has to offer. At that point, an adjustable FPR becomes required.
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Debatable. OP will need a DW300 at minimum, and a Walbro 450 if he intends to run E85 on his setup. Both of those will cause crappy idle with the stock FPR unless you put them on a rewired solid-state relay, which requires PWM control from the MS3. Even if he does do the SSR, OP may discover that to make his power goals without buying a $900 set of ID1300s, he may need more base pressure than the stock 43psi FPR has to offer. At that point, an adjustable FPR becomes required.
And thanks for the reality checks whenever i finally think I know what I'm doing lol
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Debatable. OP will need a DW300 at minimum, and a Walbro 450 if he intends to run E85 on his setup. Both of those will cause crappy idle with the stock FPR unless you put them on a rewired solid-state relay, which requires PWM control from the MS3. Even if he does do the SSR, OP may discover that to make his power goals without buying a $900 set of ID1300s, he may need more base pressure than the stock 43psi FPR has to offer. At that point, an adjustable FPR becomes required.