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Ive been playing around with virtual dyno a little bit.
I forgot to screenshot it, but even running on smooth roads my graphs have lots of big spikes and troughs with 0 smoothing. If you look at my datalog above you can see how fast the data is being aquired, and consequently the RPM line is not smooth looking. Im thinking this is the problem.
With smoothing at 3 I get graphs like these, which dont look right, and the numbers are significantly higher than they should be, even when underestimating curb weight.
For these next runs I went through the CSV file and thinned the data evenly. Basically just removing 2/3 of the rows. It looked a bit better at 0 smoothing, and pretty nice with smoothing at 3, but I dont feel good about this from a data perspective.
I need to fix it at the source...
Since I put this engine together the mechanical timing has been wrong. Part of putting the VTEC D16 head on a D15 bottom end is that the timing is off roughly half a tooth. I was just barely able to get the base ignition timing set, but the mechanical timing couldnt be fixed without a different cam gear. Yesterday I aquired said cam gear and got the timing right for the first time. After setting the ignition timing this is what I got in virtual dyno based on 2nd gear pulls with the data "thinning" method mentioned above.
Green line is tonight, with the mechanical timing fixed, dark red line is 2 days ago with the cam advanced half a tooth. So according to virtual dyno, it has lost a bit of power with this fix. No other adjustments made, and without the wideband being datalogged Im not really sure if the AFRs have changed much or not.
I forgot to screenshot it, but even running on smooth roads my graphs have lots of big spikes and troughs with 0 smoothing. If you look at my datalog above you can see how fast the data is being aquired, and consequently the RPM line is not smooth looking. Im thinking this is the problem.
With smoothing at 3 I get graphs like these, which dont look right, and the numbers are significantly higher than they should be, even when underestimating curb weight.
For these next runs I went through the CSV file and thinned the data evenly. Basically just removing 2/3 of the rows. It looked a bit better at 0 smoothing, and pretty nice with smoothing at 3, but I dont feel good about this from a data perspective.
I need to fix it at the source...
Since I put this engine together the mechanical timing has been wrong. Part of putting the VTEC D16 head on a D15 bottom end is that the timing is off roughly half a tooth. I was just barely able to get the base ignition timing set, but the mechanical timing couldnt be fixed without a different cam gear. Yesterday I aquired said cam gear and got the timing right for the first time. After setting the ignition timing this is what I got in virtual dyno based on 2nd gear pulls with the data "thinning" method mentioned above.
Green line is tonight, with the mechanical timing fixed, dark red line is 2 days ago with the cam advanced half a tooth. So according to virtual dyno, it has lost a bit of power with this fix. No other adjustments made, and without the wideband being datalogged Im not really sure if the AFRs have changed much or not.
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^Ive been trying to find one. The hood/bonnet that is on the car is pretty banged up as well. Not that I could paint match it anyway.
18psi,
Here is the above run, with two thirds of the data thinned, compared to the original data set.
0 smoothing:
1 smoothing:
Looks pretty **** compared to your stuff.
18psi,
Here is the above run, with two thirds of the data thinned, compared to the original data set.
0 smoothing:
1 smoothing:
Looks pretty **** compared to your stuff.
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Im wanting to replace my turbo with a journal bearing garrett T28. While Im at it Im thinking of revising my oil drain and feed.
The feed s -4AN with a 1.5mm restrictor. Im thinking of going to -3AN with no restrictor.
The drain is -8AN push-lock. I notice a lot of you guys are running -10AN.
Thoughts?
The feed s -4AN with a 1.5mm restrictor. Im thinking of going to -3AN with no restrictor.
The drain is -8AN push-lock. I notice a lot of you guys are running -10AN.
Thoughts?
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I like the civic I had a 30r b18a a few years back that was a blast. Get a matching hood and it would be really nice. I also have a ball bearing gt28r forsale that would go great with this build pm if interested.keep up the good work
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That Drain looks kinked. Maybe it's the angle of the pic, but I'd look at that for smoke issue.
Also, Check out the Vibrant Oil restrictor. It has a default bore size of .060" and two inserts for 0.045" and 0.03". Easy to change the orifice size if you're still experiencing smoking, just change out the Jet size. Fits with your existing -4AN feed. Linky
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^lmao
The color looks pretty close, no? Maybe when I go to repaint this thing Ill go with "splash green". Then Ill just have to paint my charge pipes purple...
So some work has been done. In particular I upgraded the turbo. Retiring the old BEGi turdblow for good.
I got a "T28" from a Nissan Pulsar GTiR, seen here compared to the BEGi T25/T28 hybrid:
As mentioned above, the drain line was looking a little dodgey.
I tried to "fix" it by remaking it, and added some zip ties for cross sectional support.
It seemed to smooth it out and prevent it from forming that kink, but after a few guys on another form kept insisting I try it with two 45 degree fittings, I decided to give that a shot.
It was quite hard to install because of how close together the ends of the fittings ended up being to each other, but it looks like it should be more effective.
I ended up using a -4AN banjo with a restrictor on the new turbo.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Kinugawa-Ban...BV3O5R&vxp=mtr
I also plumbed up the water lines and the electronic boost control solenoid.
The color looks pretty close, no? Maybe when I go to repaint this thing Ill go with "splash green". Then Ill just have to paint my charge pipes purple...
So some work has been done. In particular I upgraded the turbo. Retiring the old BEGi turdblow for good.
I got a "T28" from a Nissan Pulsar GTiR, seen here compared to the BEGi T25/T28 hybrid:
That Drain looks kinked. Maybe it's the angle of the pic, but I'd look at that for smoke issue.
Also, Check out the Vibrant Oil restrictor. It has a default bore size of .060" and two inserts for 0.045" and 0.03". Easy to change the orifice size if you're still experiencing smoking, just change out the Jet size. Fits with your existing -4AN feed. Linky
Also, Check out the Vibrant Oil restrictor. It has a default bore size of .060" and two inserts for 0.045" and 0.03". Easy to change the orifice size if you're still experiencing smoking, just change out the Jet size. Fits with your existing -4AN feed. Linky
I tried to "fix" it by remaking it, and added some zip ties for cross sectional support.
It seemed to smooth it out and prevent it from forming that kink, but after a few guys on another form kept insisting I try it with two 45 degree fittings, I decided to give that a shot.
It was quite hard to install because of how close together the ends of the fittings ended up being to each other, but it looks like it should be more effective.
I ended up using a -4AN banjo with a restrictor on the new turbo.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Kinugawa-Ban...BV3O5R&vxp=mtr
I also plumbed up the water lines and the electronic boost control solenoid.
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This is a notoriously weak bottom end. I was hoping I could push it a little bit but it let go while working out the boost control duty cycle. A couple quick spools to around 10 psi and it let loose on a freeway exit. Luckily it was close to home so I was able to tow it.
Now Im wrestling with the question of what to replace this engine with.
I could get another stock D series, one with a stronger bottom end. Or, I could get back to work on the built engine (I need a crank and one rod). Or, I could swap for a bigger and better engine.
The last option would most likely be a B20 from a Honda CRV.
The other day I was tuning a B20 swapped civic running 12 psi on a T3 turbo and it was a lot of fun to drive. It really put you back in your seat.
Now Im wrestling with the question of what to replace this engine with.
I could get another stock D series, one with a stronger bottom end. Or, I could get back to work on the built engine (I need a crank and one rod). Or, I could swap for a bigger and better engine.
The last option would most likely be a B20 from a Honda CRV.
The other day I was tuning a B20 swapped civic running 12 psi on a T3 turbo and it was a lot of fun to drive. It really put you back in your seat.