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Jeffbucc 01-28-2014 03:41 PM

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Pictures of the hard top, picking it up in about 4 hours!

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Jeffbucc 01-28-2014 03:42 PM

Photobucket went full retard, regardless, there ain't a flaw I can see.

concealer404 01-28-2014 03:43 PM

Just what the hell color is that car?

Can you find out for me when you go and pick it up? I'm talking paint code, name, the whole 9 yards.

Jeffbucc 01-28-2014 03:44 PM

Ron Burgandy color? Not sure, I'll ask and take pictures of the paint code in the door sill

turbofan 01-28-2014 03:45 PM

...was he selling the whole car for $5800 with the hardtop? Seems like a really good deal!

Jeffbucc 01-28-2014 03:46 PM

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Jeffbucc 01-28-2014 03:47 PM

Yeah like $4800 without the hard top.

concealer404 01-28-2014 03:47 PM

That color is so weird..... i like it.

To satisfy my own curiousity, let us know what sort of shape the car is in when you pick up the top.

ScottyP3821 01-28-2014 03:51 PM

Id rock that color on a black miata. But yeah its weird.

rleete 01-28-2014 04:40 PM

That color is approximately the same as my dad's 1964 Avanti.

hornetball 01-28-2014 05:27 PM

It's in Vegas, so there's some sun fading. But it does look like a sweet, unmolested NB.

turbofan 01-28-2014 05:56 PM

"this car is for my daily uses."

:squint:



Looks like a nice car. Anyway, I'll end the threadjack. Glad you found a good HT.

Removed the link til Jeff has his hardtop in hand.

Jeffbucc 01-28-2014 08:39 PM

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It almost fit in the wagon! Damn! 3 straps a ton of rags, duck tape to keep the rags from flapping around. Let's do this!

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Sucker is more solid than an impacted bowel.

BTMiata 01-28-2014 10:11 PM

That looks sketchy! Hahaha good luck hope it makes the trip safe and sound!

Jeffbucc 01-28-2014 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by BTMiata (Post 1096616)
That looks sketchy! Hahaha good luck hope it makes the trip safe and sound!

Sketchy it looked, sketchy it was not! It didn't budge an inch.

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Really really good. All the seals are perfect too.

turbofan 01-28-2014 11:59 PM

Haha nice job. Still feeling wagon jellies.

Jeffbucc 01-29-2014 12:12 AM


Originally Posted by turbofan (Post 1096656)
Haha nice job. Still feeling wagon jellies.

I'd take a picture of my odometer but it would just make the jellies worse.

716 miles on this tank...:giggle:
:dealwithit:

Zaphod 01-29-2014 02:42 AM

It's even a little sad, that you will have to paint this nice hardtop... Nice find!

Jeffbucc 01-29-2014 03:33 AM


Originally Posted by Zaphod (Post 1096684)
It's even a little sad, that you will have to paint this nice hardtop... Nice find!

I feel a little guilty...a little. I'm going to do the masking job myself to ensure no over spray.

Currently going OCD on organizing the wire harness and connections for you Zaphod. Hopefully I can make it as clear as possible.

hornetball 01-29-2014 10:34 AM


Originally Posted by Jeffbucc (Post 1096659)
716 miles on this tank...:giggle:
:dealwithit:

Hmmm . . . maybe that hardtop was a worthwhile aero mod for the VW?


Originally Posted by Zaphod (Post 1096684)
It's even a little sad, that you will have to paint this nice hardtop

Normally, I'd agree. But it's going on one of the nicest Miatas in existence, so . . . .

18psi 01-29-2014 10:41 AM

Point of advice having painted two hardtops with drastically different results:

Remove literally everything you can unbolt (obviously) but I would also suggest taking off the trim around the window and the trim on the bottom/edge of the top. the black plastic stuff.

my '00 I masked that stuff off, and it turned out mediocre at best, and I'm sure it will peel.

my '01 I did what I'm saying and it came out flawless. had a window place install a new window trim, charged me 40 bux. win win

I'm sure you were gonna do that anyways, but that's my .02

turbofan 01-29-2014 12:49 PM


Originally Posted by 18psi (Post 1096778)
I'm sure you were gonna do that anyways,

:dealwithit:

Jeffbucc 01-29-2014 03:47 PM


Originally Posted by hornetball (Post 1096772)
Hmmm . . . maybe that hardtop was a worthwhile aero mod for the VW?
Normally, I'd agree. But it's going on one of the nicest Miatas in existence, so . . . .

I think you give me too much credit. It will be a very nice Miata but some of those folk over at the Wine & Cheese club do some impressive restorations back to "OEM":bowrofl:


Originally Posted by 18psi (Post 1096778)
Point of advice having painted two hardtops with drastically different results:

Remove literally everything you can unbolt (obviously) but I would also suggest taking off the trim around the window and the trim on the bottom/edge of the top. the black plastic stuff.

my '00 I masked that stuff off, and it turned out mediocre at best, and I'm sure it will peel.

my '01 I did what I'm saying and it came out flawless. had a window place install a new window trim, charged me 40 bux. win win

I'm sure you were gonna do that anyways, but that's my .02

Thanks, I was going to do all that sans removing the window in the back but that makes a lot of sense to, just wanted to resist spending even more money haha.

Question, I remember reading the brackets on the hard top used red loctite on the screws and to be careful removing them, does this hold true?

I'm going to see if the shop that painted my car will cut me a deal on painting the hard top since I gave them 4 figures to paint my car. They should...hopefully.

:crx:

Going to start assembly of the rear subframe now.

18psi 01-29-2014 03:50 PM

Yep, red locktite, but if you don't fat finger it Fae style they should come out fine. Use properly sized screwdriver.

Also I didn't remove window. Just the rubber seal. The window place had a bunch of it in stock brand new so that was cool. Its all nice and new now

Jeffbucc 01-29-2014 03:53 PM


Originally Posted by 18psi (Post 1096939)
Yep, red locktite, but if you don't fat finger it Fae style they should come out fine. Use properly sized screwdriver.

Also I didn't remove window. Just the rubber seal. The window place had a bunch of it in stock brand new so that was cool. Its all nice and new now

How did you go about removing the seal without the window? First time I tried that on the first car it cracked the glass. Does the seal not go under the window like the windshield glass?

Sorry for the questions Vlad, just don't want to ruin a expensive top,

18psi 01-29-2014 04:00 PM

weirdly mine came right out without damaging anything or having to do any cutting or anything. I was very very careful with it, took forever. it just slowly slid out, even from behind the window edge.

the window was completely intact and completely installed and even the silicone was still there sealing it. then they "popped" the new on in after cleaning out a nice amount of the old stuff, with more silicone as lube and to seal put in.

I dunno, be careful with it. Mine was surprisingly easy and its flawless right now. Like from the factory.

Be careful though

concealer404 01-29-2014 04:04 PM

I think the best way to go about this is to take your car back apart and have it painted to match your new top.

ScottyP3821 01-29-2014 04:05 PM


Originally Posted by concealer404 (Post 1096950)
I think the best way to go about this is to take your car back apart and have it painted to match your new top.

I think this is the only way. That color is SEX

Jeffbucc 01-29-2014 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by 18psi (Post 1096947)
weirdly mine came right out without damaging anything or having to do any cutting or anything. I was very very careful with it, took forever. it just slowly slid out, even from behind the window edge.

the window was completely intact and completely installed and even the silicone was still there sealing it. then they "popped" the new on in after cleaning out a nice amount of the old stuff, with more silicone as lube and to seal put in.

I dunno, be careful with it. Mine was surprisingly easy and its flawless right now. Like from the factory.

Be careful though

I think I'd rather have a window shop do it to avoid punching myself in the face if I break the glass.


Originally Posted by ScottyP3821 (Post 1096951)
I think this is the only way. That color is SEX

I'd have to dress like this if I drove the Miata.

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Jeffbucc 01-30-2014 02:32 AM

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Ok got the dashboard mostly wrapped up, need a couple bits and bobs to install but after I put the wiring harness on it I should be good to go.

Took a lot of cleaning and vinyl conditioner to restore the black back to the vinyl. I don't like a shiny dash so once there is a little more moisture in I'll do a matte finish.

Front dash parts were from the spare dashboard, since the one I'm using had tears and dents in it. Also had to clean a lot of muck out of the air vents.

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Put some vinyl foam tape on all the HVAC joints.

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ScottyP3821 01-30-2014 09:26 AM

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concealer404 01-30-2014 09:38 AM

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Jeffbucc 01-30-2014 11:33 AM


Originally Posted by concealer404 (Post 1097179)

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turbofan 01-30-2014 01:31 PM

Jeff, I'm curious. If this car hadn't been flipped, what would you have done? I mean... Dave built a great car but not even remotely close to what you're building here. Would you have just been driving and enjoying it?

Jeffbucc 01-30-2014 01:51 PM


Originally Posted by turbofan (Post 1097302)
Jeff, I'm curious. If this car hadn't been flipped, what would you have done? I mean... Dave built a great car but not even remotely close to what you're building here. Would you have just been driving and enjoying it?

Funny you should ask. My dad is down at the house where I've been working on the car and he asked me the same thing.

Nope. Hell no. It has been fun and I don't regret considering I know how my car works now and if there is a problem I can tear the car apart in a day to fix it.

In a way, it has been a unfortunate blessing in disguise. My practical knowledge of cars and how to work on them has increased 10 fold.

As I've said in the past before this I'd never done more than a simple coilover install on my Volkswagen. Hadn't don't much more wrenching other than basic maintenance and detailing.

If the car wouldn't have been crashed I for sure would had cleaned the hell out of it and detailed it but that would have been the extent of my tooling. The reason I bought Dave's car I'm the first place was because it was a perfect turn key 300 HP Miata with everything I would have done already installed.

Granted his car was more, "because race car" quality. Tons of rattles and noise and was almost unbearable to drive with out noise cancelling headphones. 2 hours into driving I back from Alabama I pulled into a Best buy and bought a pair since I think I'd having hearing loss right now if not for that.

The car now will be a LOT more civilized in terms of comfort and refinement but the base of it is still the excellent job Dave did with the huge huge list of parts he put into it.

I just wish I was able to get more seat time in it before I had to do this.

It is funny though. My attention to detail was pretty high before this build but I'm not sure where the injection of "ludicrous" came from in terms of compromising, or the lack thereof. Even I was shaking my head at myself yesterday while putting the dash back together.
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hornetball 01-30-2014 03:12 PM

Your Dad must be proud. Heck, this thread makes me proud. LOL.

turbofan 01-30-2014 03:15 PM

Thanks for sharing. Part of me wishes I had bought Dave's car. but despite the crash, it's being put to MUCH better use.

Just props. Be prepared to have a higher prop count than post count once you post pics and vids of it completed.

Jeffbucc 01-30-2014 09:31 PM

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Looks like the window guy finally came through. About a month a go I had them try to find a clear windshield without the tint on it and they couldn't find one.

I don't remember giving him my address but my dad called and said they installed it today.

Kudos!

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petrolmed 01-30-2014 11:38 PM

Have you showed your dad this thread? You should. Your build is so inspiring that I might finally redo my window trim (lol) instead of putting it off indefinitely. So many of us are living vicariously through you.

Given your OCDness, I feel more more than compelled to try your bread and baked goods.

Jeffbucc 01-31-2014 02:49 AM


Originally Posted by petrolmed (Post 1097443)
Have you showed your dad this thread? You should. Your build is so inspiring that I might finally redo my window trim (lol) instead of putting it off indefinitely. So many of us are living vicariously through you.

Given your OCDness, I feel more more than compelled to try your bread and baked goods.

He has seen the car in all its glory so no need to see the thread.

The bread is excellent but if you have a Great Harvest Bread Co by you you can experience it. I am not sure if their bakers are as well trained as mine but it could come close. Not to toot my own horn but I am in the top 5 in the entire franchise in bread quality.

Zaphod 01-31-2014 03:35 AM


Originally Posted by Jeffbucc (Post 1097473)
Not to toot my own horn but I am in the top 5 in the entire franchise in bread quality.

I don't think anyone that has seen this thread is having any trouble imagining that... I don't think you are the type of guy that accepts mediocre...

Jeffbucc 01-31-2014 05:41 AM


Originally Posted by Zaphod (Post 1097474)

I don't think anyone that has seen this thread is having any trouble imagining that... I don't think you are the type of guy that accepts mediocre...

Too true, I wish I could though, I'd get a LOT more done.

Haven't had time to get the ms3 specs for yah yet, I'll have them done before tomorrow.

Jeffbucc 01-31-2014 08:31 AM

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Onward with the dash project.

Revlimiter hazard switch with black anodized faceplate installed

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Coolant tank installed

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Started the blower restore, it was pretty damn dirty

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Blower fan before

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after, mounted on the blower motor. Used the air compressor to blow all the shisa out of the motor itself and then a microfiber towel on my flathead and cleaned all the metal contact points and leads.

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Foam was all rotted and missing in a lot of spots. Was barely sealing at all. I couldn't find a good foam to replace it with so I bought a 6mm thick yoga mat at Wal-mart for $8. As for the double take you just did on using a yoga mat....it makes a lot of sense. It is weatherproof, highly resistant to germs, doesn't get hard/corrode for a very very long time, and it is easy to work with. It also has an airtight seal, much better than foam could ever do. I also put a thin film of sealant around all the edges to make sure no chance of water getting into the mat was possible.

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HVAC rod assembly taken apart and regreased

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Metal bracket that is sandwiched between both sides of the plastic housing was quite rusty, so I sanded it all off and painted it.

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Housings all cleaned up and reconditioned

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Friction tape added to the wires to help with rattling

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New foam tape to seal the "intake" portion of the blower that sits against the body

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All assembled and installed with the new AC delete replacement pipe

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On to the heater core.

BTMiata 01-31-2014 09:15 AM

Wow... After seeing how dirty that blower motor is, it makes me want to rip mine out and refurbish it. Would it be hard to remove with the dash still in? That one bolt looks like it would be buried behind the dash.

Efini~FC3S 01-31-2014 09:33 AM

How many cans of black spray paint have you used up to this point...


Yoga mat use is ingenious, you never fail to impress.

Ugghghhhg

Jeffbucc 01-31-2014 09:34 AM


Originally Posted by BTMiata (Post 1097523)
Wow... After seeing how dirty that blower motor is, it makes me want to rip mine out and refurbish it. Would it be hard to remove with the dash still in? That one bolt looks like it would be buried behind the dash.

I don't think you can remove it without taking out the dash. Shouldn't take you more than an hour to remove the dash though.

I was honestly surprised how gnarly the inside was as well.

Jeffbucc 01-31-2014 09:35 AM


Originally Posted by Efini~FC3S (Post 1097534)
How many cans of black spray paint have you used up to this point...


Yoga mat use is ingenious, you never fail to impress.

Ugghghhhg

Way too many dude, that VHT Chassis & Roll Bar paint is money though!

18psi 01-31-2014 09:38 AM

Oh man you're going to have one of the few old NA's that doesn't blow a dust storm when you turn on the air. My dads 92 makes me gag when he turns on the ac/heater

Scrappy Jack 01-31-2014 09:48 AM

"Friction tape added to the wires to help with rattling"

I didn't even know that was a thing.

Braineack 01-31-2014 12:16 PM


Originally Posted by Jeffbucc (Post 1097535)
I don't think you can remove it without taking out the dash. Shouldn't take you more than an hour to remove the dash though.

I was honestly surprised how gnarly the inside was as well.

It's like 3 screws...

Jeffbucc 01-31-2014 12:18 PM


Originally Posted by Braineack (Post 1097591)

It's like 3 screws...

I just wasn't sure if you could get to them with the dash in place or slip it out under the dash.

Jeffbucc 01-31-2014 09:15 PM

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Been having a case of the lazies today so not much done other then tearing apart the heater core and cleaning all the old foam off of it, cleaning all the old grease and dirt, and getting it ready for new foam and reassembly.

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Sprayed out all the old coolant and bent all the fins straight again.

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ready for foam.

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turbofan 01-31-2014 09:17 PM

I feel privileged these days when i get to be the first one to hit the prop button on one of your posts in this thread. :party:

Jeffbucc 01-31-2014 09:33 PM


Originally Posted by turbofan (Post 1097720)
I feel privileged these days when i get to be the first one to hit the prop button on one of your posts in this thread. :party:

First post!!! Haha. I wish I could be the one watching a thread like this sometimes rather than being the one doing all the work.

Every time I think I'm done with the dirty work something else pops up that I didn't do. Can't wait to have all the cleaning and restoration part of this build done. It has been the thing that has slowed me to a halt the past week.

I was going to start the subframe reassembly but I ran out of Amsoil Dominator grease so I can't do the bushings till my order ships. Can't believe I went through a whole tube of it already.

Jeffbucc 02-01-2014 02:10 AM

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All cut to size and ready to install. Used a dremmel to angle to the edges so that it will close flushly. The yoga matt is just a little too stiff for the edges to compress and seal so you need to cut them down a couple millimeters so that it is a perfect seal.

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99mx5 02-01-2014 02:56 AM

Damn! Your OCD beats mine! Props! Loving this build, er restoration.

Jeffbucc 02-01-2014 06:00 AM

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Originally Posted by 99mx5 (Post 1097755)
Damn! Your OCD beats mine! Props! Loving this build, er restoration.

Haha thanks, I'm guessing you considered this and then you were smart enough to stop and back away?:rofl:

I am not so smart.

Took a lot of trial and error getting the fitment right so that everything opened and closed correctly. Amazing how complicated an HVAC system is. I can't even imagine how much harder more modern cars are.

Tracks all cleaned up and fresh grease applied. Stuck a tiny bit of friction tape under the metal arm after shaking it a bit and seeing how bad it would rattle with just me shaking it.

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Another rattle spot on the heater core cover

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More friction tape under the brass pipe brackets. The upper pipe bracket won't tighten enough to secure it properly. 3 layers of tape holds it down nice and snug.

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Clean

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New foam on the pipe brackets

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Boom-shaka-laka

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Thank GOD that project is over, that may have been the most tedious thing I've done besides the undercoating.

Scrappy Jack 02-01-2014 04:59 PM

This build is everything I wish mine was.

Jeffbucc 02-01-2014 05:37 PM


Originally Posted by Scrappy Jack (Post 1097842)
This build is everything I wish mine was.

Well Scrappy you have just as much attention to detail, just not my frenetic pace, you'll get there. I'm starting to burn out after the HVAC project. That was incredibly time consuming.

turbofan 02-01-2014 06:10 PM

We should count how many times Jeff has said "I'm starting to burn out" and then proceeded to accomplish more in a day than most of us could manage in a week/month/ever.


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